Hacking

[Edoras]

What the easiest way to hack into someone's computer? Port Scanning? Or using a program like sub-seven?

[Simo]

Well port scanning doesnt actually give you access....just tells you ways to get in.

Really depends what sort of computer your talking about, and if it has a firewall.

If its another 'net users computer then its probably not a good idea as there ISP will more than likey see you doing it and if you do anything malicious or they complain to their ISP then you stand a VERY good chance of getting charged.

If its hacking into a computer you have permission to hack into then go ahead, hell companys even pay people to hack into their networks.

One famous story is the Cisco security expert working for a major bank declared their network virtually impenitrable.
The bank hired a hacker to try and get in in and he gained access in less than 15 minutes.

As far as I know Sub Seven dont make hacking software. SPAMThey make a freeware port scanner but thats about it. SPAMIF you want "hacking" software then you will have to look a little bit harder than main stream software vendors.



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[Keefe]

I would just like to note that netsmog.com does not encourage hacking in any way. SPAMAll information on netsmog is for educational purposes only!

;D

[Simo]

I certainly dont support breaking into peoples computers to cause trouble either.
However like I said if you have permission to do it, go for it.

I had some try hard telling me how he was goin gto "HaXX0r"my computer....I told him to go ahead....he pinged me.....that was his attack...his attack was ping my.ip.addy....I mean really....if this was a hack attack then game servers all SPAMaround the world would crash every 5 seconds.

What the easiest way to hack into someone's computer? Port Scanning? Or using a program like sub-seven?

What the easiest way to hack into someone's computer? Port Scanning? Or using a program like sub-seven?

[Omega]

SubSeven, among other similar programs, works based on a Trojan. This requires either physical access to the system at some point, or the ability to make the user of the system run an EXE you give them. Suprisingly enough, it's not particularily difficult to do so.

You will still run into problems if the user is behind a firewall of any sort (or a "router," aka NAT device). You need to be able to establish a connection with the remote computer, but from there you're home free. SubSeven is newb "hacking," if it can even be called that in the greater sense of the term. It's kind of fun, if you have a spare computer on your network, to try it out. You can do some fun stuff...keylogging, open/close CD tray, flip screen. But this software is designed only as network monitoring tools for network administrators. It is not to be used in any illegal manners, or non-consentual terms.

TechwareLabs does not endorse any illegal activites involved with or surrouding computer hacking.

[eviltechie]

well said... ;)

[TheRogue]

ditto @ omega's statement

imho anyone asking your question is a grade A newbie who doesn't deserve the right to use a computer

[MIK3]

:rofl: oh man...yet again, another well said statment...figures...I bet this guy is goin around to lots of forums, and not replying as usual newbies who ask stupid questions do....that guy doesnt deserve to be on a computer...

[eviltechie]

well u gotta ask to learn....

i learn stuff from researching
although not by posting on forums but i read...

[MIK3]

a smarter alternative from my perspective...

[xMerCLorDx]

*sigh* does everyone think that "hacking" is this juvenile?
simo and omega are the only ones with a good reply here...


what about the traditional hacking for testing system security :shake:

[TheRogue]

if you're in the know enough to setup system security you wouldn't ask

'What the easiest way to hack into someone's computer? Port Scanning? Or using a program like sub-seven?'

if your asking a question like that, then its obvious you know basically nothing and chances are they are just a lamer n00b who thinks hacking is uber1337 and wants to showoff to their friends and isn't interested in learning properly

after spending over a year in yahoo computers lobby dealing with them i think thats a fair opinion

[xMerCLorDx]

if you're in the know enough to setup system security you wouldn't ask


...yeah..what can't be hacked...

nothing comes to mind..


there is always a need to test system security, no matter how " in the know " you are.

[chryzair]

You shouldn't be down on people who want to learn. They may be misconstrued. I would be what you would call a newbie. I have little initiative either unless I have a goal in mind. I have a great interest in network security and would like to work in a field of such measure... Yet certain people have varied ways of doing things. Not all people pick up things as easy as others nor do they keep trying due to outside influences at times. If someone asks a question I believe he deserves an answer. someone who doesn't ask is what I consider dumb. I've looked for someone to mentor me in meer basics and yet still am yet to find anyone with the skills to attempt it. Due to I don't have the knowledge required. People would not ask if they had the knowledge required. Well that's my say. Great forum by the way.

[eviltechie]

why shouldnt we be down on people who are committing crimes?

[xMerCLorDx]

since when is hacking automatically malicious ?

this fellow is apparently trying to learn about network security. I don't consider him as someone who is trying to commit computer crimes.

[chryzair]

I agree xMerCLordx. Since when does asking a question make someone active with criminal intent. I think you need to be more open minded. It comes down to the equivalent of todays high and low society... You mostly have the people who have the information(money) and are unwilling to give it up to the people that wish to have a taste of what another has. I realise there are people out there that abuse that knowledge as are there people that already have it that abuse it. But you can't take someone for a criminal before there is proof. That just holds back the world and has great loses to those that would use it for non criminal purposes.

[eviltechie]

hacking is invading other people's privacy
learning about security measures is to test on one's own machines/network

[chryzair]

What if you are going into a system that is set up for such a task. Or you are employed to do such a thing (legally). It is still referred to as hacking. You don't have to breach privacy or be malicious when doing such a task.. you may wish to just test yourself or pass challenges set by other organisations that have these available.

[MIK3]

chryzair, you do have a point there. Some ppl, although I don't know why, hack their own systems to find more information on their compatibility with other programs. Many gov't agencies use hacking to their advantage and it helps they in their mission of capturing suspects. However, the general word, "hack" is more commonly known to people to be malicious and illegal. Many ppl know that it is common, therefore don't take action, like piracy. But just becuase it is passed by, doesn't mean its ok...I'd have to say that I'm on both sides of this argument here.

[chryzair]

MIK3... I don't try to say there aren't people that use it for bad things. But everything can be used for bad or good. Killing is wrong yet there is a death sentence...It's how it's utilised in the eyes of the public. If a person was to "hack" into a system to find it's weaknesses and then inform the company of such a thing I would not see this as malicious. And I do know a couple of people that do such things (not that any will damn well mentor me, hehe ) But it is not all bad. Otherwise there wouldn't be things called black and white hat hackers. There is such thing as ethical hacking. The word "hack" has 2 meanings regarding computer systems and it's not to do with just how the media has produced the term.

1. Informal. To alter (a computer program): hacked her text editor to read HTML
2. To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.

People need to look more into what they are talking about before hitting a topic they find to be illegal. It is how it is used that is illegal. Not the skills that are illegal. The skills are something to be learnt. And how else do people stop people against using this skills wrongly is to know those particular set of skills so they can find a way to defend against them.

"Hold your friends close, but hold your enemies closer"

I'm sure there's a more suitable quote but best one I could think of.

[xMerCLorDx]

Some ppl, although I don't know why, hack their own systems to find more information on their compatibility with other programs.

that was a really smart statement, you just say you dont know why and then attempt to explain it.


However, the general word, "hack" is more commonly known to people to be malicious and illegal.

yeah to people who don't know jack shit about computers.

in the IT industry ask anyone with any security experience to tell u about whitehat or blackhat hackers.

*yawn* zZz time

[MIK3]

(Ignoring xMerCLorDx's uncalled for statments, and refering to chryzair's post...)
This is true, and that is why I commented that gov't agencies use this method as a means of protecting and securing certain companies and schemes. All I'm saying is that when the common person hears the word "hack", the first think that comes to mind is, " an often illegal approach to infiltrating companies, sites, domains, ect, in a malicious manner, with the use of looking at html or source code." I for one, am not an anti-hacker...because I realize the ability it has, to do as much good as it can bad. And like you said, hacking itself isnt necessarily illegal, its the manner approached using the utilities that is thought of as illegal, and that is often scewed.

[chryzair]

I very much agree.

[xMerCLorDx]

ok did you read this entire thread? do you understand where the debate against the illegality of hackers came about?


heres where it started:

eviltechie:
why shouldnt we be down on people who are committing crimes?

me:
since when is hacking automatically malicious ?
this fellow is apparently trying to learn about network security. I don't consider him as someone who is trying to commit computer crimes.


all my argument is that the majority of people say hackers are malicious when they don't know the entire story. Also i was defending the guy who obviously wanted to learn something about network security.

You don't even know what the point was if you're ignoring that.


But I do see what you are saying and I agree

[CiKoTiC]

If I'm not mistaken, the community has split into two different distinctions. Hackers and crackers.

Hackers are the ones that do malicious stuff and crackers are white honkys... err wait, crackers do for the good of everyone. 8)

[xMerCLorDx]

naw dude there are white hat hackers, there are code hackers too, i know a guy who writes C++ and cracks BSD all day, its not illegal.. open source

anyway there are bad of both types.. just depends on who u talk to or associate with, or who u are victum to (if its malicious).

[MIK3]

Hrm...this kinda of looks like Smilie :spam:...I tried to make out the story this guest tried to tell...but it's just not happening.

[johnty]

would so 1 show me how to hack

[Jason425]

yea.. open your case, and throw a bucket of soapy water in there, then an awesome hack prog pops up and everyone on the net is at your mercy!

[zophenx]

Download ExeJoiner.exe, Attach a Game (or whatever you like) than the server ex: (patch.exe) "Wanna try a cool game?" send it. You're in. Done Deal!

[TheRogue]

This kind of crap is the exact reason I can't be arsed with these forums much these days

Yea, this is really learning, a bunch of script kiddie tards who just want to f' around with real newbies who i'd much rather help

The people defending this kind of BS are just as bad as the lame ass script kiddies and deserve to be hung

The Internet's greatness is it's shitness, being so open, any and all retards are allowed on it, because it's open it can't be licensed, but i'm for open, but the above is an abuse of this openness

People have no respect for other people's freedom on the net, wonder how many people defending these gimps are the gimps who get viruses and cry when they think they're being h4xx0red