View Full Version : One persons thoughts on Hacking....VERY INTERESTIN

12-08-2001, 06:28 PM
This is an article i ran across, and thought it would be a good topic of discussion here. It is a bit long, but believe u will find it enjoyable.

>>>Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?
>>>By T Reginald Gibbons
>>>Posted on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:00:21 AM PST
>>>As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the USA.
>>>Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!"
>>>As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times.
>>>After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions.
>>>After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary.
>>>1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?
>>>Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider.
>>>I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites.
>>>2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?
>>>Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".
>>>The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.
>>>3. Has your child asked for new hardware?
>>>Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.
>>>If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.
>>>4. Does your child read hacking manuals?
>>>If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.
>>>There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.
>>>If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.
>>>5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?
>>>If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.
>>>6. Does your son use Quake?
>>>Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school.
>>>If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.
>>>7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?
>>>As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.
>>>Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.
>>>8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?
>>>BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
>>>Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
>>>If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
>>>9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?
>>>If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.
>>>10. Is your son struggling academically?
>>>If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically.
>>>I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously.
>>>----------------------------------the end.

12-09-2001, 05:12 AM
He doesnīt got his facts straight !
Neuromancer SPAMbeing a hackers manual, it is a really
good story Wiliam Gibson also wrote Johnny Mnemonic
which were made into a movie (I have it on DVD)
Linux maker russian noway he is from finland and his
OS is not based on Xenix it is SPAMsimilar to Unix and Xenix.
His name is Linus Torvald.
AMD is headquartered in Sunnyvale, California:
One AMD Place
P.O. Box 3453
Sunnyvale CA 94088
one can buy as easy as an intel.
I bet he works for M$ and is one of those rightwing
religious fanatics which have list of "evil" rock music
which they want banned.
But it can all be a joke also.

12-09-2001, 05:22 AM
Im prettty sure its a joke.....either that or the guys a raving lunitic

12-09-2001, 05:23 AM

12-09-2001, 05:41 AM

12-09-2001, 07:05 PM
woh sh!t. my grandmy would believe it too, and my mom and dad too. but my parents are quite cool and so something like this would be no prob for me though. the bad is, that pretty much people i think, think ībout this the same way. damn, for such people death punishment would be a good solution :'(

12-10-2001, 04:21 PM
It's a fake aritcle. It was posted on a forum I visit 1000x more frequent then this one.

12-10-2001, 07:10 PM
Fake or not, this guy is extremely effective in making waves and getting responses! ; ;D

12-10-2001, 10:10 PM
Geez, I'm not sure which is more rediculous, the article itself or knowing that uneducated parents will belive it. SPAMThe author is obviously extremely misinformed. SPAMI'd like to see the administrator of this board (C'mon KJ, this is stupid!) remove the posting.

I'm sure most here know enough to know the author is an idiot and commentary on his/her ramblings is pointless. SPAMWe all know he's wrong, no sense in wasting effort on it, let's get onto more interesting things.

12-10-2001, 10:16 PM
Hey abx, I am fairly sure that this is an ironic essay...

12-11-2001, 12:16 AM
ok, call me naive, but i think this article is true. In fact, the guy who wrote it is involved with an extremist group known as the PTC (Parents Television Council) . These people have been successful in having shows actually cancelled from network television. They use typical Mobster activities, such as extortion to have their "views" agreed with. They are currently involved in a lawsuit from the WWF.
The sad thing about this, is that there really are people out there that feel this way, and some dumb@ss is giving these people power. The biggest majority of my family would believe every word this guy said because, they, like him, are misinformed, and quite simply afraid of what they don't understand. The AMD comment has really become a great joke between friends tho! Well, just thought i'd keep u guys informed about these wacko-s! SPAM::)

Support ur favorite hacker.......buy a new copy of "Quake" LOL

Grinnin Reaper
12-11-2001, 07:35 PM
Just a few things I found intersting is that all haking tools can be removed through the add/remove program box I can see this.

IE explorer
Microsoft Word
Microsoft Works
128-bit encryption cracker
Fuzzzy pink bunny slippers
Computer hacking for Dummies
Pentagon Hacking 1.2 (Beta)

And I would love to see those 3rd world kids in the clean room developing x86 chip processors. SPAMAnd the wonderful Intel chips with built in Anti-Hacking features (that is technically called Thermal instability and most people consider it a design flaw.)

AO He!! as GREAT ISP that blows the credibility right there.

Comet cursor is hacking software just not in the way he means it to be considered it actually is Spy-ware.

And how many hackers need a cutting edge video-card to hack a computer.

The quake and Linux comments are just to absurd to comment on. SPAMJust one Redneck's opinion.

Now I need to add more gas to modem to transmit this.

12-13-2001, 02:23 AM
Heres news...

the guy who wrote this WAS SERIOUS!!!

No BS...I was on a site and apparientlly it was writen by one of those dudes who spends every waking moment trying to get shows banned from TV etc etc.

The same sort of people whio write this (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,3398836%5E2682,00.html)...


They have BANNED Grand Theft Auto 3 in Australia and may or may not ban Ghost Recon.

Im going to go buy a copy tommorow just in case they do.



12-13-2001, 09:39 AM
the article you linked to could be for parents of children aged 4 to 10 years maybe 12 years. why shall computer games be banned for everyone just because a bunch of parents care for their children too much and a bunch of them too little.iīm from austria and so child protecting laws donīt mean too much for me. the first time i was drunk was when i was 13 years old and iīve been watchinī pr0n for my entire life ;D.
violent games iīve been playing for about two years now and i like it. me and some friends are currently founding a Firearms ( halflife-mod) and itīs good fun. it also helps me get rid of my aggression. to protect children a law would be needed to hinder them from purchasing those games unless they are 18 or their parents allow them to. completely bannin the game is senseless because a lot of people will get it from anywhere else and most of them weill be the ones who should be protected, and their parents wonīt even notice anything.
itīs like trying to protect them from drinking. if itīs forbidden itīs fun. ancient unwritten law

12-23-2001, 06:14 PM
LMAO, that's grand. SPAMI couldn't even bare to read on after it got to the Quake part. SPAMMy parents would honestly be really scared if someone forwarded that to them. SPAMThey're about as close to amish as you can get, in regards to their mindsets about technology. SPAMAlmost any point the guy raised just cracked me up...AMD, video card, new hardware, more than 30 minutes/day. SPAMIt scares me to think that people believe that.

01-04-2002, 07:23 PM

01-05-2002, 06:59 AM
This is an interesting group... thanks for letting guests post.

I honestly don't know if I should laugh or cry. I'm proud to say neither of my folks would fall for this stuff (they'de quite after the "I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises" line, but even if you took that out they'de be wondering what this person was smoking when he wrote this- I say he because it mentions his wife.) and that it would go into the trash after we'de all laughed, shaken our heads and wondered how people like that reproduce. The only thing I wonder is, is this a real person? I mean, obviosly they have no clue; not just about computers, but in general: "You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure"... no they don't. Not in this country, and not in a lot of others. Besides, if your child is a hacker, he/she undoubtedly knows how to get that stuff online... sorry for preaching to the choir.

The only other thing that occurs to me is about the comment on violent vido games and drinking on one of the posts. Though I've never been drunk (I intensly dislike the tast of alcohal and would have to work to swallow that much) I've been playing violent video games since they came into existace (amiga I believe was my first encounter with a truly graphic game... pre-wolfenstein, and just about pre-nintendo) but even now that there are laws gouverning those games, I could get anyone any game they wanted _legally_. So even the good old free US hasn't banned porn and video games yet. Not even on AOL (not that I use it excepting some of the software they bought up) has really banned that stuff. Too much profit. Most of the porn links I get are on AOL-owned ICQ, and it wouldn't be any different if I actually used AOL as an ISP.

Frankly, if I had a kid who was a hacker (in the sense used here), I'de want to know how they did it, and only really be mad if they'de done any dammage... in which case I'de handle it like a neihbors broken window. ("Okay, you call them and negotiate for damages. I expect you to pay it off, legally.") Unless it was the feds, at which point I'de make sure they stopped, but let the government decide if they thought it worth coming to us about. :( :o :o :lol: :lol: 8) 8) :confused: :confused: :confused: :P :P :P :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: >:) >:) >:) >:) :mad: :mad: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :biggrin: :biggrin: :blush: :blush: :blush: 8) :( :( :( :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8) :confused: :confused: :confused: :/ :/

03-13-2002, 07:07 PM
This is the saddest things i've heard. SPAMThe MP3 part is the most pathetic. SPAMQuake.... I just had to stop there. SPAMTHE NEUROMANCER IS A KICK ASS BOOK!! I don't even think this guy even looked to read the book. SPAMThis must be a joke, or this guy's got family issues. SPAMThat's what we get from 11 year old kid's parents.

03-14-2002, 11:43 AM
... " BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos , before the Russians lost the Cold War. " ...

LOL ;)

This is even better, then Zombo

Cheers for Sad, otherwise I would miss this baby


03-14-2002, 10:15 PM
it was a funny joke but it got old.... seen it too much recently

its SAD that people think its true

03-15-2002, 07:36 AM
Yeah, Russians lost the Cold War. What a crap


03-16-2002, 11:53 AM
very funny and i believe this is a real over-protective under-trusting parent not just a joke. SPAMi gotta show my dad this, but if for some odd reason he belives this, i fit every one of those characteristics, i will be dead.

03-16-2002, 12:39 PM
Not that i am worried, but we gotta keep an eye on that vee_ess guy. SPAMJ/K SPAM If thats your case, your screwed. SPAMGood luck to you though...

03-16-2002, 01:34 PM
thanx man

03-16-2002, 01:42 PM
As i say "Doing my best each and every day to keep this society here at bay!" SPAMYou know you love it.

It's me
07-10-2002, 03:40 AM
This is probably some joke for computer literate people who now what is going on beyond M$ and all other overpriced companies like Intel(who work together with M$)

08-02-2002, 03:25 AM
until it reached the points (1. ..) i thought it was real :|

it is pretty scary how alot of people would believe this... even scarier is that it describes me :|

i have quake (3) installed
i have SUSE 'lunix' installed with LILO
i have the cathedral and the bazaar (really good book :D)
my behaviour is 'surly' (to my parents but its there fault for being such annoying idiots!)
i was on aohell (*shudder*) and asked to change ISP
i have flash installed
im always asking for new hardware and have an AMD proccy
i spend way too much time on the computer

the only thing wrong is the academic thing... /me is great at science and maths

gtg... off to h4xx0r N454 wi7h m3 1337 5ki115 4nd 1uniX HAHAHA!

08-29-2002, 10:38 PM
i think i lost it after come cursor and flash. i mean, who is this guy???? why can some people be so ignorant when it comes to things they know nothing about. my parents, for a while, "banned" me from checking email durning the whole "iloveyou virus scare. i still checked, just not when they were around. this, from my parents who think to turn off the computer they just push the power button on the front of the case. yes, they actually did that. i would like to sum up my feelings about this with the simple request that that man be dragged out into the street and shot for public display. its people like him who scare parents like mine into "banning" me from the computer. im lucky they didnt see this article. they live off of media hype and extremist crap. i had to buy a power cord so i can use the computer, since they took the other oen to prevent me from getting on. ugh i hate this

09-29-2002, 01:22 PM
It's a fake aritcle. It was posted on a forum I visit 1000x more frequent then this one.

10-02-2002, 07:59 PM
i like the part where if you delete something in windows that the pc will HAVE to be repaired by a professional.....come on if the kid can hack...he can do a damn install of windows...geez..wtf?

10-05-2002, 04:18 PM
Im sad to say that this is my first *real* response to this thread...i for one do feel that this is, like vee_ess said, a very over pretective, miseducated, lunatic parent that obviously doesnt know what he/she is talkin about. I mean:
- what if ppl read hackin books to know how to actually protect them selves
- what if they want and AMD, the best proccy on the market
- what if they wanted to change ISP cuz A O Hell sux
- what if they changed they're appearance because they want to make a statement of their selves
- what if they have bad grades because they're parents are too dumb to be concerened about their grades
- what if their attitude is bad, its their surrounding peers
- what if u spend too much time on the computer, wtf is too much time on the computer is what is what i ask...
- what if they are askin for more software simply cuz their frickin packard bell is past its expiration of expiration date a decade ago...

...i think this guy need to be hacked to remind him of his stupidity....no further comments...

10-06-2002, 04:00 PM
i think we have concluded it was a joke... :)

10-07-2002, 04:11 PM
Excuase me but last time i checked quake was a game....

10-07-2002, 06:55 PM
yeah a stupid joke it is

02-02-2003, 05:01 PM
i don't know about all you guys, but my parents are cool, they wouldn't believe such bullshit, i couldn't stop laughing at this ass-hole's crap, (( you now somethin', i think his kid never heard of the term "hacker" but still got the works for it, the poor guy )).

back to my point, my dad is a (university Prof.) in " information systems " to all of you who don't know what that means : (( PC studies )).

the first thing i did after reading this crap was sending it as an e-mail to my dad.

P.S. :
1- my dad gave me linux and told me to install it and learn from it. the OS of the future thats what he calls it.
2- he encouraged me to be a hacker and to read more about them. (( though telling me not to damage anything )) - how many of you can say that of thier dad >;-)
3- got me flash and you all now it "Quake"

i guess this means my dad is the coolest :biggrin:

03-27-2003, 09:41 AM
j00 AOL, we LOL

This cracked me up a treat.

My parents know I can hack, they just told me not to talk to them about it. Oh and they said that if the FBI showed up at the house that I would be grounded :o Like that would really bother me with the feds at my door lol.

Anyway, loada crap and all that.


um ya right
05-23-2003, 09:03 AM
To say this guy is paranoid moron is not an overstatement the article is basically bs, fact of the matter is that at one time or another most kids will try hacking....Im an engineer with enough computer science to know its normal....And for some one to use the phrase illegal software is a joke no software is illegal until its used the wrong way and no real hacker comes about this day and age with out a college background things have become to complicated for the average self taught person to get that far....the kid may have had a future writing software for parents to use to monitor future little basterds lol but his parents put a stop to that..........and as far as that goes the kids with VB compilars are doing more damage then any one and oh yes aol security thats a joke lol........my emial is j_hop_99@yahoo.com if u want more info from an educated source feel free.....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[/url]

um ya right
05-23-2003, 09:05 AM
To say this guy is paranoid moron is not an overstatement the article is basically bs, fact of the matter is that at one time or another most kids will try hacking....Im an engineer with enough computer science to know its normal....And for some one to use the phrase illegal software is a joke no software is illegal until its used the wrong way and no real hacker comes about this day and age with out a college background things have become to complicated for the average self taught person to get that far....the kid may have had a future writing software for parents to use to monitor future little basterds lol but his parents put a stop to that..........and as far as that goes the kids with VB compilars are doing more damage then any one and oh yes aol security thats a joke lol........my emial is j_hop_99@yahoo.com if u want more info from an educated source feel free.....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[/url]