Firefox kind of sucks...

[Jason425]

good grief...

[james]

I would have to ask wth you are doing that it crashes that much. I'm not the biggest fan of firefox and am upset that it has crowded out the mozilla suite, which is much better imho. I have had firefox crashes, but nearly not that often. Sometime after 0.8 it just got signficantly more unstable, and slower for that matter....

[Jason425]

It seems like Java things are far more likely to crash in firefox...

[StinkyMojo]

FF has been pissing me off lately too.. I can't wait for IE 7...

[Uranium-235]

I'll stick with mozilla, I have about a crash every 2 months

[james]

u235, is that the suite or FF? if i could apt-get install opera, i'd probably take it for a spin. it's apparently a lot snappier than FF. Hmm, maybe i can try Konqueror...eww KDE app. well, it could happen. amarok kicks ass (whew, off topic...). I can't wait for IE7 b/c then maybe I could code a webpage without it sucking balls to 90% of the people that look at it. (of course, that would require them upgrading to IE7, but that's another issue entirely).

[Uranium-235]

You never heard of mozilla? It's what they released far before FF. It's a whole suite (Navigator, Mail/newsgroups, IRC chat, Composer (WYSIWYG editor)

[Tyler]

I used to use Netscape for years, I loved it for some reason. But then I discovered IE a few years ago and I've used it ever since, much faster I found. Firefox is ok, I just can't seem to get used to it though when I try.

Random blabber over.

[StinkyMojo]

the new netscape(essentially a FF clone) is pretty cool. I love it cause you can switch beween the gecko engine and IE's within seconds... aka you can do windows update through Netscape ;)

[Jason425]

i've seen it, and i'm not impressed... it comes with a "shopping" toolbar for crying out loud...

[StinkyMojo]

so once you saw that you ran away? :rolleyes:
it can be disabled with a mere 2 clicks.

[Jason425]

that's not good enough

[james]

You never heard of mozilla? It's what they released far before FF. It's a whole suite (Navigator, Mail/newsgroups, IRC chat, Composer (WYSIWYG editor)

yea, i've heard of it, i just wasn't clear if you were actually referring to the suite or to firefox. Like I said in my post, I prefer the suite, but since development on it has died in favor of FF, i've gone over to FF. Since I only use it for a browser anyway. Who knows, maybe i'll go back if FF continues to annoy me as it does.

[drivebymaster]

if your designing a web page....the most handy dandy program that saves a lot of work is macromedia's dreamweaver....ya so what it sounds noobish but its easier than me having to sift through tons of codes and end up messing up the whole god damned web page.....but I have to use IE6 to test my webpages and I try to make my webpages compatible with FF but I think FF is a big ass joke...the only progs I like are IE and Netscape....screw AOL what a crappy isp lol

[Jason425]

AOL owns netscape AND firefox... :lol: !!!!!

[drivebymaster]

Firefox is a big ASS joke I swear...

So any one know the news on IE7?

[Aemon_]

i have yet to have a problem with firefox.

i use it to design with, then make the design work in IE. firefox has a better javascript debugger, and is more standards compliant. eh, i'll stick with firefox.

later

[drivebymaster]

Aemon...tisk tisk....Dreamweaver by macromedia is SOOO much better in designing web pages lol

[Aemon_]

dude, tisk tisk, know what you are talking about before you speak. i use dreamweaver.

later

[james]

<3 vim. I agree with the sentiment though. Using the gecko rendering engine for design testing is the only intelligible thing to do. Once it looks good there, then you can start manipulating things to look properly in other browsers, with more (IE) or less (Safari, Opera) difficulty.

[Prometheus]

Firefox crashes maybe once a week on me.......its always when i open lots of windows with scripts on them...

[drivebymaster]

I use firefox for some sites and some things but I haven't had it crash too much.

Also the other reason I dont like it is that it takes a bit to load and then it gets going faster

[Jason425]

https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=72&application=firefox
is cool though

[drivebymaster]

Hey thats a pretty cool addon......I may just DL it

[Bear]

I am using and have been for quite a while with no problems :dance:

[drivebymaster]

Ya it works on some peoples computers and what not but it just is REALLY annoying sometimes

[Prometheus]

there tiny little tweaks you can use.....

[drivebymaster]

oh ya? care to share with me lol

[Omega]

if i could apt-get install opera, i'd probably take it for a spin. it's apparently a lot snappier than FF.
Opera does offer a .deb file for download, making the dpkg -i fairly easy (though admittely not as nice as apt-get install). In my opinion, it's entirely worth the extra 25-second investement of your time and bandwidth.

I use Opera on all my systems, ranging from my main desktop Windows XP 3 GHz, to OS X on G4 PowerBook, back to Windows XP on a TransMeta 700 MHz Crusoe laptop (very slow), to Debian and Ubuntu testing and development systems from 1-3 GHz. In addition to offering a great feature-set out of the box, Opera's claims of being "The Fastest Browser on Earth" have held up in my experiences (as well as in most of these tests: http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html ).

I have to keep Firefox around for testing web pages I code (and actually, has been the "IE" of the three browsers I test in Windows in more than a few situations (surprisingly, worse than actual IE)), but it really just doesn't do it for me. I've found some aspects of its usability to be rather lacking, and as Jason425 pointed out, has some stability problems. I'm frankly rather annoyed at the new trend of people designing web pages "for FireFox," rather than simply using open standards [compliance] and cross-platform applet formats (if absolutely necessary). Screw ActiveX, etc., and use Java :-/ if you really need to do something that can't be done with xhtml/css/dhtml/svg/etc. (SVG, that reminds me ... use an open implementation of svg, rather than requiring Adobe's stupid plugin.)[/rant]

[vee_ess]

I completely agree with you Omega about people needing to use open standards. We could easily force browsers to use established, open, and fair standards, but so many program specifically for browsers. Most who do, that I've come across, do it to support a browser, but it's only supporting their monopolistic practices which isn't good for the end-user. Opera is easily the best coded browser, it supports more functionality than Firefox (without adding problems that is), and faster, and is far more secure and reliable that IE. What I don't like about Opera is that they leave out many areas of W3 which I feel should be standard in any browser. That's why pages sometimes function or look weird in Opera. I assume that to be because they don't have the programming resources that open development (FF) and big business (IE) have. Almost forgot, Opera has crappy betas, too (but then again so does IE).

BTW, Java sucks.

[thatoneperson]

portable firefox helps to get around bess and it doesnt leave any history for the system admins to see :)

[theThinker]

LOL, I have used FF for over a year and it has never crashed for me.

Of course we were up to version 1.3 or 1.4 when I started using it, and Jason425's errors look a BIT prehistoric in comparison (I think the title bar gave 1.0 as the version).

oh ya? care to share them with me?

I use two add-ons, them being:

(1) AdBlock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1865/), along with the Filterset.G Updater (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1136/) (for ad signatures). A good page to test this on is FPSBanana, which is littered with banner ads. They're all gone. Also has a flash blocker that automatically blocks flash ads, and gives you an option to block each individual flash frame, like YouTube and stuff. Also works for embedded video such as WMP. Now when you're cruising for cracks, you won't have to see those nasty pr0n ads! (NOT TO IMPLY THAT ME OR ANYONE ON THIS BOARD HAS EVER PIRATED SOFTWARE. REALLY. EVER. :biggrin: )

(2) Fasterfox (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1269/), which precaches all the links on a page so you click-through faster. Also has a nifty timer for the page load time.

I also use this theme (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1597/). It's very clean and uses nice solid colors.

[Triumph]

Hmm... I have not heard of fasterfox. Sounds like I should check this out.

Do you see a big increase when jumping links?

[Jason425]

I have fasterfox... I don't know if it actually makes a difference - I just use the timer.

[Slashmire]

I use firefox...yet have some problems here and there with it..Opera is technically better...but I'm fine with Firefox...