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brainiac
09-25-2001, 08:55 AM
Read the post here: Stop censorship from spreading (http://www.nihilistmedia.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=musicmid&action=display&num=1001341743)

Let's stop it before it continues to grow.

Keefe
09-30-2001, 01:53 PM
I believe that all forms of censorship should be stoppped! SPAMOnce they are able to censor the internet it is the begining of the end of the freedom of the net.

wizbones
10-03-2001, 01:35 PM
I believe there needs to be forms of censorship but it should be with in reason and limited. But to not have any censorship would be totally caotic and non productive just as if there is too much censorship. So the question is where do you find the balance?

coldy
10-11-2001, 03:02 PM
Censorship is a bad thing, some is needed or things would get out of control, but things like censoring books and music is completely the wrong thing to do. SPAMNoone has a right to censor something that someone else did, regardless of who they are.

Neo
10-15-2001, 03:57 PM
HECK YES DOWN WITH CENSORSHIP, don't you see any for of censorshop is taring down the freedom of the internet! SPAMAny site, any file is just as bad as in 3D. SPAMNope so it isn't your right to tell me want can't post, and those in the admin postion truth will always be defined.

Gotham Dark Knight
05-07-2006, 10:08 PM
Aaah...hate to burst the Freedom bubble...but anything without a few basic rules breeds Anarchy...and Anarchy destroys freedom way faster than a bit of censorship...but hey, why spoil the fun...carry on...you all who know best... ;)

Tyler
05-08-2006, 12:41 AM
Way to bring back a 4 and a half year old thread :P

Jason425
05-08-2006, 02:02 AM
Talk about anarchy... look at you digging through the graveyard of dead threads!

vicki2
05-08-2006, 03:39 AM
Censorship is always a good thread ...and sometimes, the old threads are better than the new ones unless you're into total anarchy lol.

Klaas Koopman
05-08-2006, 09:05 AM
What is so evil on censorship? I don't see it? Can someone please explain me what the problem is?

Jason425
05-08-2006, 11:44 AM
restriction of freedom of speech, basically.

Gotham Dark Knight
05-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Talk about anarchy... look at you digging through the graveyard of dead threads!

Its called a Revolution...I can't have me a revolution unless I go digging through the bone yard and pulling out some of these old threads that will get it started now can I ?...The thread was there...it was calling for me... I answered...was that soooo wrong?... ;)

Jason425
05-08-2006, 11:11 PM
it was SO not calling you... :P

Cannabusted
05-09-2006, 02:12 AM
censorship isn't too bad you can have fun with it if you know how.
On my forum ive got censorship so if someone swears it gets changed to another word but if they type in the word that it gets changed to then the swear word will show up e.g. "cunt" gets changed to "gooses fanny" but if they type "gooses fanny" it changes to "cunt" get the picture.

vicki2
05-09-2006, 05:18 AM
Well, it seems like the idea of discussing censorship has been censored because the idea is old. Now, that's funny!

Klaas Koopman
05-09-2006, 08:51 AM
Well I think alot of censorships like black bars on the eyes of criminals and such or on 18+ material are good censorships. I do agree some censorships aren't what they should be, but where to pull the line then?

Jason425
05-09-2006, 12:00 PM
Maybe it should be a user-defined value as in that you could specify the protection level on your tv/computer/whatever.

xMerCLorDx
05-09-2006, 12:45 PM
I believe that all forms of censorship should be stoppped! Once they are able to censor the internet it is the begining of the end of the freedom of the net.

You have to be kidding. The internet has been and is censored! You only begin to see how it isn't on darknets. Just because this dynamic of freedom is different than most others, doesn't mean it's the embodiment of freedom. There are serious legal restrictions and plenty of them that are forms of censorship. In America we have different levels than other countries. One major example is China with huge censorship. Or if you look at Japan they have different values and levels of censorship. For example on television they can have nude women, in Europe topless is common. For us, Janet makes a publicity stunt and it's the shock of the nation. All countries have some kinds of censorship on their media, even the internet.

I believe there needs to be forms of censorship but it should be with in reason and limited. But to not have any censorship would be totally caotic and non productive just as if there is too much censorship. So the question is where do you find the balance?

In most cases "within reason and limited" is basically what each country sets as standard or norm. There are plenty of cultural factors that play into this. It seems like this is the natural equilibrium for censorship, what the body of a country defines as pornographic [many kinds, not just the general understanding found on the internet commonly]. The question is constantly where we find the balance and it seems that what most countries have is a balance over the years of customs and culture that lay behind those governments who enforce the censoring.

Censorship is a bad thing, some is needed or things would get out of control, but things like censoring books and music is completely the wrong thing to do. Noone has a right to censor something that someone else did, regardless of who they are.

What about censoring ideas? You think it's a great idea to make it less of a challenge for anarchists/terrorists to get their hands on nuclear information? We should keep those books in plain sight!

HECK YES DOWN WITH CENSORSHIP, don't you see any for of censorshop is taring down the freedom of the internet! Any site, any file is just as bad as in 3D. Nope so it isn't your right to tell me want can't post, and those in the admin postion truth will always be defined.

Is english your third language? Anywho good work with stickin' it to the man with your ideas.

Aaah...hate to burst the Freedom bubble...but anything without a few basic rules breeds Anarchy...and Anarchy destroys freedom way faster than a bit of censorship...but hey, why spoil the fun...carry on...you all who know best... ;)

Finally some pragmatism. Thanks Gotham. In my opinion censorship is a good idea for people who are not consenting adults. If the parents of those people would like to expose censored things to their children, go for it. As for censoring for adults, I think keeping the morally shameful things that support the abuse of children aka child porn should be censored just because having a government endorse child porn makes it easier for a market that supports that sort of abuse to exist. Besides these issues most things done by consenting adults within the freedom that our country gives should be ok. If you can think of any exceptions maybe I haven't considered them, so share. Once we start playing with the different levels of morality individuals have within a society, it's hard to determine what is ok for the majority.

censorship isn't too bad you can have fun with it if you know how.
On my forum ive got censorship so if someone swears it gets changed to another word but if they type in the word that it gets changed to then the swear word will show up e.g. "cunt" gets changed to "gooses fanny" but if they type "gooses fanny" it changes to "cunt" get the picture.

That's some whack game, not censorship.

Well, it seems like the idea of discussing censorship has been censored because the idea is old. Now, that's funny!

haha

Maybe it should be a user-defined value as in that you could specify the protection level on your tv/computer/whatever.

Maybe a majority of America couldn't handle that level of options. Besides it's not just a vertical scale, there are many components to deciding levels of protection. Christian families would have a problem with certain issues that Buddhists would not, and people in Iran would allow certain things that Canadians would not, and likewise for every culture and country. Most of middle class America is told what to like, and products are tailored to be admired by the public. Even these last few years of computing haven't been drastic improvements in products as far as keeping up with Moores Law. It's kind of sad actually I really want a gigantic leap in computing to occur soon! We have all these great minds [and not so great] connected on the internet, it should at least aide in making a research breakthrough that changes how we think of computing.

xMerCLorDx
05-09-2006, 02:30 PM
In the news today, Chinese students help monitor forums by starting safe topics, and reporting anti-communist and anti-socialist ideas. This privitization of censorship is fuled by national pride and the government's monumental attempt to censor the internet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/world/asia/09internet.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

xMerCLorDx
05-09-2006, 03:05 PM
Check this out, people from the University of Toronto are developing a proxy system for people of governments with censorship of the internet. It has some information about the censorship going on in China that the other post I referred to didn't have.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1146865816987&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

And another discussion at a forum I frequent regarding censorship and google in china:

http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=760

By the way in addendum to this thread google has been banned from china.

Gotham Dark Knight
05-09-2006, 06:11 PM
And another discussion at a forum I frequent regarding censorship and google in china:

http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=760

By the way in addendum to this thread google has been banned from china.

Being born in a communist country...where you got a knock on the door if you stepped out of line...and a quick reminder not to do it again...I second xMerCLorDx words a bit...most of you are looking at censorship through a limited perspective...banning google from China is just another form of building another Chinese wall... ;)

Jason425
05-10-2006, 12:58 AM
They ban Google? We ban China! :P (Yes, I know it's not that easy).

lpxxfaintxx
05-10-2006, 06:16 AM
Err, the link is broken as of now. Dunno if it will come back up. I didn't get to read the article :(