9700 OR 4600

[Gixxer420]

What card should I buy the ati 9700 pro or a Gainward 4600??

[Uranium-235]

the 9700 does beat the 4600. but that's because they're not of the same generation. Give Nvidia time to get out the next generation card to kick the 9700's ass =)

Dont confuse the man. Get the 9700.

[Jazzman]

its SOOO much money though!!! I vote save yourself 200$ and buy a ti4200 or 4400 now

[BobyJo]

What you are getting in the ATI's Radeon 9700 Pro entry, the price is not over expensive in terms of technology available in the card. Not only raw speed, but quality in screen quality.

If you think the ATI's new entry is too expensive. What do you think of nVidia's new entry's when they are introduced? I have seen GF4Tixxxx close to $500.00 when the 4600 top of the line was introduced.
Now that is too expensive.
I think that $300.00 should be the top price anyone should have to pay for a gaming video card. The ATI's will be in this arena aftera few months of age.
The nVidia 4600's are just now beginning to be at this level or below on some models.

[eviltechie]

jazzman is wise

im getting the 4200 128mb
even though 64mb is faster, it doesnt matter to me
cause im gonna oc

and new games require more memory

4400 is being discontinued
so it might be very cheap
not sure

[Uranium-235]

no games are going to require a minimum of 64 for a while at least. Even UT2003 is at 32 Minimum

[eviltechie]

no

i mean require more memory as in need more memories to run smoother and faster as it recaches more graphics on it
such as aquinox
and that super slow fps game in 3dmark2001...
forgot the name

anyways
newer game engines benefits from larger amount of memories

[accurateimage]

Dude get a 9700 *L* you can get them now for $325 on price watch and they hands down kick the crap out of everything on the market. Also as of now nothing is built to support DX9 except the 9700. If your gonna buy a hot card spend a little more coin and get one that will last you a long time, not one that will be lost in the dust in a few months, the 9700 should be a very competitive card in a game system for at least 1-1.5 years hopefull.

[BobyJo]

You guys aut to listen to accurateimage, he is telling it like it is. As for me I am sold on the Radeon cards. I will get a 9700 asap, and be happy with it. I do not change video cards very often. The card I had before this was the DDR64Vivo (se) version. I would not have gone to the 8500 except for some of the games I like, Unreal 2, for example would not have been playable with the old card. I purchased the 8500 in 1/2002, thought Unreal 2 was gonna be released 6/18/2002, but this game was postponed until 9/2002, and again till 10/2002. Still waiting.

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3641639

[Gixxer420]

Thx for all the help. I did decide to go with the 9700.

[BobyJo]

Hercules is just announced it is bringing out a new version of thier R9700. Will have a copper heat sink on the VPU, hi capacity fan with silent action. BIG gold color HS covers the whole front side of the card. This thing looks cool man. Do not have any idea what the price will be for this card, nor the release date. I would think verysoon since the article has been released about the card.

[Gixxer420]

too late my mother ordered the ati 9700 card and the soyo p4x400 mother board for me :)

[accurateimage]

Ah young grasshopper learns fast :) good pick with the soyo board, you will love it, even though you bought an evil p4 board *LOL* :) Still soyo is making my fav boards right now so 8 out of 10 skirts for your choices. Oh yeah go mow some more lawns and pay for your own board next time or wait until christmas :)

[Gixxer420]

just birthday gifts :)

gonna get a 2.53 chip for this setup.
Next my mother in law wants a upgrade so I guess when I order her stuff I'll pick up a asus p4t533 and some rambus 1066 and a 1.8a chip, just to see how much I can overclock it. I think I might have messed up by going with ddr 400 over the rambus with my 2.53 setup but time will tell.

[CiKoTiC]

:rofl:

[BobyJo]

This is an indebth article comparing the 4600 to the 9700. Good read.





http://www.eagleperformancepcs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=194

[eviltechie]

did you write it or quoted from someone?

i wondering if anyone is using it with AGP8X right now as i heard it isnt stable yet without directx9 and so on
but thats just what i heard

[BobyJo]

NO I didn't write this article. I thought that the arthur was copied and pasted along with the article. This is a very well thought of site that does a lot of testing of new hardware. Very accurate and honest also. I will give the link to the author if you don't believe me.

[Gixxer420]

This is what ati has done with the problem:

Quoted from Rage3d:

ATI has sent us an official line on the AGP 8x problems some of you have experienced.


ATI is aware of a small number of reports of incompatibility between the RADEON 9700 PRO graphics accelerator and certain AGP 8X motherboards. It is important to emphasize that the number of incidents is very low. Extensive testing has been done, in conjunction with motherboard chipset manufacturers, motherboard manufacturers and with retail available motherboards, to determine if compatibility issues exists. From these tests, it has been concluded that no compatibility issues exist with the current or soon to be released AGP 8X motherboards.
Some end users have reported issues to our Customer Service department that we are investigating. From the data that has been gathered, it appears that issues that have been reported are caused by individual board issues and are not indicative of a general compatibility issue. RADEON 9700 PRO product owners are encouraged to contact our Customer Service Department should they have an operational problem with their product.

In addition, it is important to ensure that appropriate system preparation is done prior to installing the RADEON 9700 PRO. We recommend installing the latest motherboard BIOS in the system as well as the latest available AGP drivers. Many of the 8X issues have been resolved with an updated BIOS from the motherboard manufacturer.

[eviltechie]

ok author is brent justice but where is the site he posted that from?
i want to see some more comparisons and especialy charts and bar graphs


i see that the AGP8x problem is not a big deal now, and occurs rarely
i guess i have to start planning on building me a AGP8x comp now...

[BobyJo]

HardOCP is where I found the complete article. Here is a link to one review of the 9700 by the same writer.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQ0

This is a compareable article but not the exact one I copied and posted on my site. I will continue looking for the exact article, and give you a link as soon as I find it.

[Gixxer420]

Got my vid card today. So far I lub it. The only draw back is I have it in my p3 1gig pc. I got my soyo board in today just gotta get my 2.53 chip an memory then I'll really lub it all.

In some of the 3dmark scores it really doesn't do to bad on this 1giger. I get around 8700 with 1028x768 32bit and when I crank it up to 1600x1200 32 bit it scores around 7000. So overall really not bad with my current setup.

Guess I need to find some forumns where they talk ati talk to learn some of the good tweaks..........

Later Gents

[eviltechie]

not all of us are able to spare 300 USD right out of the pocket
and having the best of the best is a luxury for many people and it is just not neccessary most of the time

Ti4200 128mb can be bought for about 160 USD or around 250 CAD
it seems like the best choice for a value/performance card at the moment
for normal gamers

plus, for ppl like me who has only a 1.2GHz Athlon TB with 768mb of pc2100 ram...
a medium system, there isnt a need for a graphic card faster than Ti4600
because there are just too many bottlenecks a PC has compared to a Mac

so it all depends on personal needs

[accurateimage]

Why the 128mb?? the 64mb is allot faster!

[accurateimage]

The 128 only runs 444mhz on the ddr, the 64mb runs 500mhz

[Tcbil]

I would go for a 4600 althoug i heard a few good things about 9700

[BobyJo]

Since the R9700 is 3 times faster than the 4600 in high resolutions, why in the world you make this decision.
Maybe you are just nVidia and nothing else type of a person?
The R9700 will probably be under $300.00 within the next 60 days because of a new version of the "R300" not sure what the name will be at this time.
Means the original 9700's will drop about 25% in cost.
The nVidia 4600's are still about this price and seeing what nVidia's pricing has been in the past they are not likely to drop thier prices much lower than they already have.
The NV30 is going to cost the venders about 10% more than the 4600's were originally produced.
The retail price is being held back to the same as the 4600's were selling. Venders expect that either profits will be extremely low in the sale of these cards.
Or venders are going to price them to the level they have to make thier normal margin. Who knows until the end of the year, or maybe the 1st Q 03.

[Tcbil]

You are probably right, its true i like nvidia and never tried ati yet, I read a few things about the radeon 9700 and its true it seems to be quite a beast, on Hardware.fr the test seems to proove it completly frashes the ti4600 so go for r9700.

[eviltechie]

well wait a few more days till prices drop...

these ppl dont really think about money
they are not spending the money, so of course, "GO FOR IT!!"

i think if you only have AGP4x on your mobo, then Ti4600 is a good choice

but AGP8x, then consider 9700 after nvidia releases its agp8x NV28
see if the prices go down and take a look at the comparisons.

[CiKoTiC]

Since the R9700 is 3 times faster than the 4600 in high resolutions, why in the world you make this decision.

That is without a doubt a false statement. Why do you post such stuff without a shred of proof?

Yes, the 9700 does out perform the G4 in certain benchmarks, but in NO way is it by a factor of three. Maybe 3 percent faster, but not 3 TIMES faster.

If your gonna make a statement then at the very least be truthful about it. Better yet, back it up with hard facts. Not your opinion plz.

Move along.

[CiKoTiC]

Tell ya what BobyJo, I'll put my system against yours in a head to head benchmark test. If your benchmarks are three times than mine, I'll give you my entire system. If there not, you give me yours. How's that sound?

I'm giving you the oportunity to put up or shut up in your statements that the ATI card is three times faster than the G4 in high resolutions as you have stated many times in this forum. If your absolutly certain of your statements, then you shouldn't have a problem going head to head.

Just remember, your benchmarks have to be three times better than mine.

You game?

[accurateimage]

The 9700 at the highest resolutions is close to 3x faster :) but close to 1x or equal at lower resolutions, glad I use an LCD panel and only have to go to 1280 x 1024 max :D

[CiKoTiC]

AI, I score 12870 @ 1024x768 in 3Dmark with my system. I've yet to see a system that scores 38610 at the same resolution.

If BobyJo can score 3 times mine in 3D Mark, Sysoft Sandra and Quake 3 then my system is his, no questions asked.

I just want to see this "3 times faster" thing he is talking about.

[accurateimage]

Dude I said HI resolution, 1024 x 768 is low res, the ati shines when you get past the 1600 mark + even up to the magical 2048.

[accurateimage]

For example at 1600 x 1200 32bit at 85hz running 4x fsaa the gf4 scores a pitiful 2194, while on the same setting the 9700 scores 6118 which would come out to being almost 3x faster. hell at 4xfsaa the 9700 outperforms my olf gf2 running overclocked with no fsaa on! *L* Thos test results came from toms on 2001se. Or for example look at this test in which both anisotropic filtering and edge smoothing at the same time are being run, in this case the 9700 proves again to be right on the verge of being 3x faster!

[accurateimage]

Oops, here is the link *L*
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/020819/radeon9700-23.html

[accurateimage]

Here is the link to the start of the whole comparo.


http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/020819/index.html

[eviltechie]

sometimes tomshardware isnt always right

anyways
i can smell some TNTs here

and i hope bobyjo comes in here before the heat dies off
lol

a good match is benchmark with sportsmanship is greatly needed to add a little spice here and there :lol:

[accurateimage]

Hey it's all good :) both sides has there points, for instance who really uses 1600 x 1200??? I never have, would need a big monitor! So in real life resolutions the 9700 and gf4 are pretty close until you use the details like fsaa. There is no doubt the 9700 is allot better card, but it is a future card and Nvidia just has to catch up. But to say the least I actually support ATI 100% now, remindes me of when AMD started to ruffle wintels feathers :) Very cool to sit back and watch :D ANd with the 9700 coming in at $325 right now it is just nuts to buy a 4600 right now unless you get it for $190 or less.

You seem to get extremely angry with me. I am only stating the facts as given to me by people I think are doing the review in a good presentation. Being objective to both sides of the coin. I don't have a Radeon 9700, wish I had the $ to get one, but since I don't I will just have to wait till I do. Just because I have access to all the components I want, does not mean I am going to take one out of stock and put it into my system, then sell it to a customer as new.

http://www.eagleperformancepcs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=194

This thread is entirely too long to copy and paste here. I would just like to have you go there and read this "Compareson betweeen the GF4Ti4600 and the Radeon 9700 Pro. Written by a staff member of HardOCP. I copied and pasted about 10-12 pages of data and put this article back togeter. No editing, the only thing left out was the graphs, I can't get them to copy and paste over, so you'l just have to read the text.

[BobyJo]

I just formatted the OS Partition and installed XP last night. So the above post did not state the person posting. It was me. I did not realize this site does not force a logon before answering a thread. BJ

[Gixxer420]

1024x768 is low resolution. I'll tell you what set your 3dmark to 1600x1200 instead of 1024x768 and see what you get.

If you want to I'll put my 2.53 p4 and ati 9700 up with you at running that 1600 x 1200 resolution with DEFAULT setting no OVERCLOCKING. Or you can overclock it as much as it can handle and the 9700 will still out perform at all DEFAULT settings..

But it is true the ati card is almost 3 times faster at HIGHER resolution. When I get home I'll see what she can do at 1600 x 1200.

I can score almost 14000 with all default settings running in 1024x768.

Ati is way better of a card right now than the 4600. When the nv30 comes out (remember they are playing catch up right now) then Ati will release there new one as well. So time will tell which card will be king in the future. But for now HAIL TO THE KING ATI 9700.

That is just the facts with no marketing hype!!!!

[CiKoTiC]

Ok, let me back up and clarify something....

Yes the ATI card performs better than the G4. This is not disputed. What is disputed is claims based on opinion and not fact. To claim the card is 3 times faster is a false statement and I welcome anyone to provide hard facts to back it up.

If you want to I'll put my 2.53 p4 and ati 9700 up with you at running that 1600 x 1200 resolution with DEFAULT setting no OVERCLOCKING. Or you can overclock it as much as it can handle and the 9700 will still out perform at all DEFAULT settings..

Polpot, as I've stated, this is not a product comparrison. It's about making false claims. However, if you actually read your own post you will see how absurd you sound. Anyone with half a brain knows that when you do benchmarking you don't use two different computers. If you want to bring your ATI over here and do an honest test then fine, we'll do that.

But it is true the ati card is almost 3 times faster at HIGHER resolution. When I get home I'll see what she can do at 1600 x 1200.


Again, a false statement. You even prove this in your next sentence.

I can score almost 14000 with all default settings running in 1024x768.

My 3D Mark score is 12870 and you can ALMOST score 14000. Did you even go to school because 12870 x 3 does not equal ALMOST 14000. :lol:

[CiKoTiC]

The only negative things I have said about ATI is they have historicly dropped the ball when it comes to driver support. This comes from years of experience from myself, others I've met in person and online and from facts that I posted links too in another thread. Creative Labs has even stated that they will not produce ATI based video cards for this very reason.

Polpot got his ATI card and a few hours later he called me on the phone and the first thing he said was "this ATI card is crap!". He fired up Battlefield 1942 and it had problems. He had to update his ATI card to fix it. I know his problem is not conclusive proof but it is consistant with ATI products which I've stated all along. There is historic evidence that ATI puts out great hardware but crappy drivers. Does anyone remember the ATI ALL in Wonder card? It had supperior hardware compared to anything that was out but fell flat on it's face soon afterwards because of driver and compatability issues.

Knowing ATI's past leads me to be very weary of their products and letting people know this is important. It's not about what is better, it's about being informed with cold hard facts. Not biased opinions. If I wanted that, I would jump in a Mac forum and declare PC's are supperior and then watch the sparks fly. :biggrin:

[accurateimage]

Dude Cik I love ya man but read the review, if we both turn on fsaa at 4x and run the cards at 1600 x 1200 the 9700 is in fact about 3times faster than the 4600! It is in no way that much faster at real life resolutions, but it can be stated as a fact that the card is 3x faster at the highest resolutions and especially with fsaa on!

Again Cik you said Quote: My 3D Mark score is 12870 and you can ALMOST score 14000. Did you even go to school because 12870 x 3 does not equal ALMOST 14000.
That is at 1024x768


That is not at 1600 x 1200 where the ATI card is 3 times faster.

[CiKoTiC]

From Toms Hardware...
The results show the GeForce4 at a dramatic disadvantage. At a resolution of 1600x1200, the Radeon 9700 is almost three times faster.


Key word... Almost.

Also, Graphics Driver NVIDIA - v30.82, ATI - v6.13.10.6143. Let's not forget there are newer drivers out so I would like to see these tests done again with the lastest ones.

I would luv to bring this card up and you install the drivers and stuff. Then you could see the difference.

[Gixxer420]

opps forgot to log in cik call me

[accurateimage]

by like 100 points or somthing tiny like that :D but still look at the difference! I have never been able to play a game at 4xfsaa and have it run smoothe! *LOL* I can bairly get it to run on 2x clean *L*

[accurateimage]

Actually if ya do the math at the last test on the bottom of the page the 9700 is actualy faster by a few hundred points, but again it is not real world, when you get back to the normal resolutions the card is at best 2x faster or less, but turn those filters on like fsaa and the card is sick faster in any resolution.

[CiKoTiC]

okedoke... Here we go.

statement 1: The ATI 9700 Pro is 3 times faster than the G4 at higher resolutions.

statement 2: The ATI 9700 Pro is almost 3 times faster than the G4 in 1600x1200 with full FSAA.

Do you see the difference in the 2 statements?

Statement 1 leads the reader to believe the 9700 is in fact 3 times faster accross the board which is untrue. There is only one setting that it is ALMOST 3 times faster and is expressed in statement 2. For a novice that may read this, don't you think the distinction should be made?

So is it accurate to say the ATI 3 times faster than the G4? Nope, because your leaving out a whole barrel of other details.

edited for sp and grammer... I type too fast sometimes. :P

[accurateimage]

Agreed, I was just going by a factual statment, thats all :) Like I said the card is definitly not 3x faster accross the board, but is a very fast card and is showing us the way to video card future :D And yes in some tests it is 3x faster, but definitly not all of them! But again when it comes down to price unless you get a gf4 in the sub $200 category it would be a waist of money for it is now definitly an outdated card. The only reason I bought the 4200 was it fell in my lap for just over $100 which was a steal :)

[BobyJo]

Well, I will put it this way.
I would say I am quite a bit older than you, I have been at building systems since 1989.
I could tell you horror stories about nVidia stuff way back when that are much worse than the driver issue with ATI.
As far as tech support nVidia sucked big time. They had so many complaining about thier vid cards. The tech's would not even attempt to resolve a problem. LONG STORY.
I trashed 3 nVidia cards and vowed I would never own another. I have held true to this until I started this business. I don't actually own the nVidia cards I purchase for customers, because they are purchasing the card in a system.
I will say this, even today, some of thier cards are a pain in the ARSE to get installed and working the way it should.
They have as many driver issues today as ATI.
And I can post opinions from specialists that will state the same.
It seems some people wont believe anything unless you have links to several places to verify the statement.
That is not the respect anyone should be given. Give and you will receive, believe me that is true.

[CiKoTiC]

I would say I am quite a bit older than you, I have been at building systems since 1989.


Yea, you may be older than me, I really don't know because you haven't stated how old you are. I'm 35 and have been bulding computers since 1986 when I joined the Army. In 1988 I was developing computer based training at the U.S Army Intelligence School. Still think that has anything do with the price of eggs in china?

It seems some people wont believe anything unless you have links to several places to verify the statement.

Having solid facts should be paramount for anyone. Stating opinion and passing them off as fact or leaving out details only goes against your credibility.

[Gixxer420]

test

[eviltechie]

i do not remember Cikotic mentioning his age
so assumptions are greatly UNneeded

nor is the age factor relevant

false facts should be corrected

that is final...

[Gixxer420]

this is the time for the great saying

Can't we all just get along!!!!!!!

[eviltechie]

we are getting along

some people just need to straighten out a few facts and stop spreading false ones

[accurateimage]

Yawn *LOL* ok I am bored... what to argue about next..??? OH YEAH PENTIUM SUCKS EVEN IF THEY ARE FASTER RIGHT NOW!!!! Oh that is the topic now discuss *LOL*

[CiKoTiC]

MACs rule!!! :lol:

[accurateimage]

AHHH *LOL* No way man! laptops are best for gaming! and palm pilots are not for nerds!

[CiKoTiC]

Everyone knows palm pilots play games much better than laptops!!! :P

My dad used to tell me some people would bixx if they got hung with a brand new rope. This just fits some people, I don't make a statement that I can't back up. But just because of your personality, I wouldn't do this for your pick and pick attitude. Sorry if this don't fit into your way of thinking. Personally I just don't really care what you think. So I will not respond to any posts by you period.

[eviltechie]

to be serious, iPOD rules!!

even though i dont own one

[accurateimage]

No way man the most powerfull system on the planet is the dreamcast hooked to a lan :D

[BobyJo]

Another Radeon 9700 review

www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzMw

Another thing, has anyone here watched "Fried Green Tomatoes:? This statement about age ane etc. Was a joke.

"I'm older than you, and I got more insuourance"

Remember this statement?? Why not get a life instead of being so much a arse about everything a person says.

Dude, if you haven't noticed, nobody cares anymore.

Now go away.

[CiKoTiC]

:lol:

[eviltechie]

NOOOOOO

im wondering who this Guest is

bobyjo is a good guy even though he likes to bring opinions into halls of facts

i still welcome his opinions as long as he can back them up with HARD evidence before forcing the opinions into facts and into our brains

http://www.rageunderground.com/articles/R9700Pro/

[eviltechie]

well no matter how many reviews i look at, Ti4600 can still stand side by side with the 9700

3x faster is just exagerations

still, 9700 is worth it if one has the $$ BLING BLING $$

[accurateimage]

well the 4600 comes close, if you run fsaa on 4x or so it does not compare, i would be like comparing a 4600 to a gf2 0r 3.

[Gixxer420]

You are right eviltechie if you got the $$$$ then the 9700 is worth it.

[eviltechie]

hehe

and if one is only willing to spend about 150 USD, get a Ti4200

[BobyJo]

The problem with most everyone on this is "resolution" If you run 1024x768 and no or very low aa, and af, the 4600 does run alongside the 9700.
BUT if you want to turn up the heat, and max out the settings the 4600 is about 1/3 the speed of the 9700.
That is what the reviews says and has the graphs to prove it.
So I would suppose that is enough over this argument cause the nVidiots are not gonna give to the atidiots at all.
But wait till the next nVidia update, and let them crow over a tad little bit of nothing.
That is if the next update shows nVidia a tad bit over ATI.
We will just have to wait and see.
Then the nVidiots will talk about hi res.

[eviltechie]

could you put a graph of it right on the reply please?

[Gixxer420]

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/020819/radeon9700-23.html

[eviltechie]

but its not even 2x better when testing norm
at 1600x1200 / 32 bit / 85 Hz

[accurateimage]

yes that is correct, the 9700 is pretty close when the tough stuff is turned on, but turn on stuff like fsaa and the 9700 jumps way in the lead, it is like comparing a stock camero to a c5, both are awsome sports cars, but the c5 will rip the camero in the twisties :D

[CiKoTiC]

Then the nVidiots will talk about hi res.

Do we really need this kind of childish behavior? :confused: If your going to resort to this then please take it somewhere else. :mad:

Besides, I'm glad ATI is coming out with bigger and better things. It only benifits everyone in the long run. More competition means lower prices.

Oh yea, one other thing.... Static Benchmarking at 1600x1200 with full FSAA is fine if that's your thing. But when you get in an online mutiplayer game with 32 peeps, your gonna be turing that stuff off really quick. So, does it really matter in real world applications???? I don't think so.

Have fun with a setting you'll never use except to benchmark. While your laggin and getting 10 FPS, I'll be fraggin your arse. :biggrin:

[Gixxer420]

I don't think he is being one bit childish and I think there are others who will agree.

Going back to all the 9700 vs the 4600. Just except that the 9700 is way better card than the 4600 and go on. Whatever disgrace you say about the 9700 is all false when all the reviews show the truth. And why would you want to play a game where you get 100+ fps and crappy quality? I can handle 80+ fps with everything turned on and awesome quality, and still kick some arse.

I just think peeps should just step up and admit that ATI is the best card RIGHT now and quit trying to put the card down. I know there are several that has stepped up and said it now the rest need to believe it.

To the peeps that can't see it or don't want to believe it then they should be called nvidiots. Because the truth is out there.

I don't think he is being one bit childish and I think there are others who will agree.

Only those with the IQ of a slug would agree with you. You've repeatedly shown you ignorance here and this one tops them all. Keep it up, your really starting to amuse me with your half witted comments. :lol:


To the peeps that can't see it or don't want to believe it then they should be called nvidiots. Because the truth is out there.



You are a complete moron.

The only people making it a contest between nVidia and ATI are you.

If you had half a brain and actually READ the posts you would see that in absolutly ALL the posts not one person has EVER said nvidia was better. It's like whenever we ask for facts or point out untrue statements you act like someone just pissed in your Wheaties. You imediatly make it a "mine is better than yours" issue. Puhleze!! Give us a break with your relentless insecurities about whoes is better and get a freaking clue about what has and hasn't been said. (If your smart enough to actually do that which I seriously doubt judging from your juvinile actions exibited thus far.)

Do us ALL a favor a go away. Leave this forum to people that can acutully formulate and participate in intelligent, contructive, and meaningful conversation. If you want to constantly whine about how great your card is, go to an ATI forum where there are people that actually give a crap.

[CiKoTiC]

BTW, the above post was by me. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in.

[Gixxer420]

ROTFLMFAO...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



Get a LIFE!!! :wavey: :wavey:


I'm not responding as to it would appear that I would be pointing the finger at an individual. I for one don't want that to happen.....


:wavey: :wavey:

[CiKoTiC]

I rest my case. :lol:




Thank you, drive through.

[Gixxer420]

I just love this: QUOTE : Do us ALL a favor a go away. Leave this forum to people that can acutully formulate and participate in intelligent, contructive, and meaningful conversation. If you want to constantly whine about how great your card is, go to an ATI forum where there are people that actually give a crap.

You are the that keeps trying to flare crap up on the boards. I mean look at your post you left toward Bobby heck look at all your post in this thread. :QUOTE: Oh yea, one other thing.... Static Benchmarking at 1600x1200 with full FSAA is fine if that's your thing. But when you get in an online mutiplayer game with 32 peeps, your gonna be turing that stuff off really quick. So, does it really matter in real world applications???? I don't think so.

Have fun with a setting you'll never use except to benchmark. While your laggin and getting 10 FPS, I'll be fraggin your arse

See you just keep starting crap. I mean what are you trying to accomplish arguing with the 9700 and 4600? Dude I could care less about you getting 100+ fps in a game and not having the quality that you would with the 9700 at about 75+ fps. If you can't kill someone with 75fps then you don't need to be playin.

All people are trying to say that the 9700 performs better then you keep on coming in oh heh well if you like stactic benchmark blah blah blah. Whats your point?

Why are you always pointing at peeps for? I mean is it necessary to say what you did about me in the words that you used? Your a nobody and your 3? so therefore shouldn't have said that. I have never once called you out.

So go on show some more maturity and post some more smart comments they are very amusing to read...... :rofl: :rofl:

[Gixxer420]

forgot something


vvvvrrroooommmm,,,opps did I hit you sorry.

[CiKoTiC]

Your like a drunk fat chick on the dance floor.

At first you think it's sad. Then you can't help but laugh at them. Then the fat chick thinks she hot stuff and gets obnoxious so you just want her to go away.

Every time you put your fingers on the keyboard you make yourself more of a moron. Take some advice, give it up and disappear.

[Gixxer420]

:blush: :blush:

thanks for the compliment.. :rofl: :rofl: getting more mature already

[Uranium-235]

/Picks up padlock

ready when you are, boys

[Gixxer420]

thanx it needs to be