OVERCLOCKING THE 4200 TI?

[accurateimage]

Hello peoples, I just recently came upon a cheap 4200 ti from pny and since I bought some more toys could not afford the 9700 at this moment, so I bought this card for just over $100 and installed it, well I have had a blask overclocking it but the prob is I pegged my powerstrip software! I cannot increase the chip clock frequency anymore and it seems to still have tons of headroom. It pegged at 332 mhz and the best I could get out of the ddr was 575 with stock sinks, the chips sink was replaced with a pure copper Tk sink. Let me know if you guys have any idea's on how to get this baby faster! I know I can get the ddr faster for the factory polished sinks suck, they are hot as hell so tommorow I am gonna slap 4 nice Tk blue sinks on that are roughly 50% larger and allot better designed. Hope to hear from ya all soon! Also anyone have links to articles concerning the overclocking of the 64mb "fast" version of the 4200???

[Jazzman]

I own one of these. I haven't tried any type of cooling but I was able to get 300/600 out of it without much trouble. About 305/620 I started getting artifacts in 3dmark2k1se so I backed it down to 300/600. Works like a charm!! (11680 3dmarks!)

[accurateimage]

what is the resolution setting at...?? also mine is at 332 which is as high as my powerstrip will let it go and 575 is as high as the ram will go.

[accurateimage]

scored 11230, will try to go allot higher tommorow when I actually add some real cooling to those crappy factory ddr sinks.

[Jazzman]

on 3dmark I leave everything default. I belevie this is 1024*768 16 bit. not sure though. whatever is default is what I use.

Oh try using the coolbits.reg thingy thats what I used. also- what driver version are you using? I recommend using the 40.41s they are the best so far (in my useage anyways)

[accurateimage]

using the 40.41's, also what does the coolbits thing do and were can I get it..?? U currently use powerstrip 3.20 somthing for overclocking. I just have allot of headroom left in the card and want to take advantage of it all. Also the default is 1024 x 768 at 32bit. Keep me posted :) Cannot wait to try out the new heat sinks tommorow to see how fast I can get this thing to go :D

[Jazzman]

http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_coolbits/

linkage above will give u the file and a quick tutorial (aussie style)

I'm leaving my card like it is cuz i dont want to burn anything, but next month or so i am getting a watercooling setup so I may splurge for the Vidcard block and get some ramsinks and see what she can do... >:)

Keep us posted how it goes!

[accurateimage]

Cool checkingit out to see how well it works :D

[accurateimage]

Wow this works awsome! What I did was uninstall powerstrip, then install coolbits. The I went ahead and clocked cool bits to it's max 315 and ran the ram back at 575. Then I installed powerstrip and it saw my 4200ti as factory set at 315 / 575! So I was able to find the roof on the chip *LOL* almost thought I would not! With 0 artifacts or lockups it would run at 1280 x 1024 up to 340mhz!!!!! That is 90 mhz overclocked! I think the thermaltake pure copper heatsink with upgraded fan had allot to do with it but damn! That is insane! Also do not remember if I noted it but the chip is a revision 3 or A3. Also NOTE that in 1024 x 768 I could get it to 350mhz with no lockups, but lots of point sprites on the horse test. Damn I cannot wait until I get my hands on some real ram coolers so I can find the roof on the cheapy card, so far I am mega impressed! Now that the 4200ti is very cheap and comes in a hotrodded version with 500mhz ram it is highly reccomended for a real budget card. I give this little baby 10 /10 shirts up! Time will only tell of the new ramsinks will let me push it into the 600mhz range. SWEET!

[Uranium-235]

Yes it's cheap and we have all the money in the world...

<jedimindtrick>You will give your Ti4200 to me</jedimindtrick>

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Ummmm no :P But man for the coing "around $145" thisbaby is keeping up with a stock 4600! that is nutso :) I can only wait for the extra coin for the 9700 :D

[Uranium-235]

bleh! I can't wait for NV30

[accurateimage]

Thought you all would like to see my new card after it was completed. Is clocked now at 340mhz / 580mhz. Is the highest I can go with 0 artifacts.

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Hey Jazz, what kind of ti do you have..??

[CiKoTiC]

Yo AI, where can I get some vid card memory heatsinks to put on my MSI Ti-4600? I should be able to get at least 725Mhz mem clock but I can only get it up to 700 stable.

[accurateimage]

I bought mine from thermaltake, at my local fried electronics. Very good sinks

[eviltechie]

do those really perform well??
how are they compared to the awesome tweakmonster hfs?
and just what difference does the copper hs make?

did u buy a package of this? http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ram/ttramkit.jpg

btw i wonder how do you put an URL link onto an image on this forum?

lol
i have lots of questions
because im waiting for the price to drop a little more before i buy my own Ti4200 from msi or asus or some other brand

[accurateimage]

That is what I bought, I have used that set in many pc's

[Jazzman]

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1134

I have the MSI version. It kicks quite a bit of ass, IMHO. :) I have not tried any serious overclocking like you have but it took 300/600 just fine with stock cooling (no ramsinks and stock HSF)

Like I said, once I get watercooling if I get the GPU sink with it, THEN I'll see what she can do (with ramsinks too, of course)

[CiKoTiC]

http://store4.yimg.com/I/xoxide_1705_2577229


I ordered this for my G4. Hope it does the trick. :)

[vee_ess]

and just what difference does the copper hs make?

Copper is a very good conductor, and therefore, conducts heat well also. It allows heat to transfer faster and more completely than more insulative heat sinks.

[accurateimage]

That is what I have on mine right now, why order it man..? *L* fried electronics carry's it ont he shelf. Just make sure to use artic silver 3 on it. And do not use the shitty ram sinks that come with it, use the ram sinks that come with the ram kit, they are about 10x better :)

[eviltechie]

they are the same shit... different pile
all are aluminum ram sinks


of course i know copper is better
my Globalwin CAK-38 for my athlon 1.2GHz is a pure copper cut

the thing i was asking about is u never know with thermaltake, usualy their products looks better than how it performs
and it is still in the doubtful range

so i was asking how generaly the product performs compared to for eg. the MSI's loud and powerful stock hsf on their Ti4200

[accurateimage]

Same shit..?? *LOL* no man the ram sinks that come with the thermaltake ram heat spreader are tons better than the crappy ones that come with the card I have and one hell of allot better than the ones that come with the copper cooler kit, the copper cooler for the chip is the only thing that is copper in that set, the ram sinks are trash that come with the copper kit and not even the same size, the blue ones have about 80% more surface area on them. Not sure abotuwhat came on your board for I have not seen it.

[accurateimage]

Oh yeah and can you push your 4200ti's chip to 340+ without problems..?? I can after installing the copper sink with silver3. Have no probs showing my 3dmark score also :D

[eviltechie]

ive heard many good things about this Tweakmonster ram sink

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bigfoot&Product_Code=2266CGRS&Category_Code=0050

it should perform well as it is made of copper alloy and plated with tin chrome

i think it should perform well but it is very expensive on the other hand...

[accurateimage]

Hey eviltechie, which version of the cak 38 do you have..?? The cak 38 II scored way low on toms hardwares latest review. Is there a difference between yours and the cak2..?

[accurateimage]

Yeah wow that albatron 4200ti is a pretty hot item, just looked it up, based on the bigger brothers 4400 and 4600 board design :) Sweetness :) But still have not seen the hardcore #'s from that card yet.

[eviltechie]

yeah there is quite a difference

mine is the CAK-38 version 1

pic is this
https://www.chillblast.com/old/public_html/pictures/CAK1.JPG
http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/Socket-A/CAK38-2.jpg

a brief competition and reviews can be found here
http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/Socket-A/page_3.html

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This is the CAKII-38
which is NOT mine
http://www.globalwin.com.tw/new-product/image/cak-II38.jpg

[eviltechie]

yeah that ti4200 turbo is pretty schweet alright
especialy 8 layers of PCB!!

i didnt know it could effect overclocking... as really does alot to regulate the voltage...

[accurateimage]

Well reinstalled windows 2k from an error, simple cure:) Anyways after all was said and done ran a 3dse2001 benckmark and the best my $129.99 PNY card can do is 11301!!! That is pretty damn sweet for a budget card. Saved the file for proof. Very happy with the cheapo card!

[eviltechie]

yo jazzman, whats your 3dmark2001 SE score for the MSI one?

is the PNY overclocked?

seriously oc'ed Ti4200s are almost equal to a G4 Ti4600!!

[accurateimage]

yeah I have mine overclocked, running 340 / 580. My ddr overclocking is not so good but my chip OC is the best I have seen so far stable on a 4200 ti. Man if they put good ddr in this board this would actually beat the albatron. Oh well :) Also note this is a R3 chip, not one of the early chips so that has a big factory in it, that and also it has a pure copper sink on it with silver 3. That little fan actually moves some air!

[eviltechie]

just dug up another review of the Albatron's Ti4200 P Turbo
this is the 128mb

more headroom for OC
cause default DDR clock is lower than 64MB's

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1226
from the trustworthy PCSTATS

im wondering, does ur PNY have resistors standing between a pair of DDR RAM?

most of the Ti4200s do
making the heatsink for memory hard to put on as ive heard

it doesnt seem so with albatron's card

heres MSI's
http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/msigf4ti4200_top.jpg
for the pair of ram up top, see that resistor there standing between them?
like a third wheel??

if i buy a MSI, id have to get those single ramsinks from tweakmonster...

[accurateimage]

Yeah but they are so low profile they did not get in the way of my sinks at all.

[eviltechie]

really?

id have to go my own Ti4200 first

THEN

decide what heatsink to get
should i use frag tape?

[accurateimage]

I am using the tape for now until I can get some artic silver epoxy for the sinks, that stuff is good.

[eviltechie]

im a little worried when it comes to permanent stuff like the Arctic Silver Adhesive...

things could get messy...

but ofcourse i would be very very careful if i were doing it

hehe
i can assure everyone that this topic can go much longer
because im planning on buying my Ti4200 end of this month...
:biggrin:

[accurateimage]

The PNY is asome for the ultra cheap price, the thing just plain rocks on games like aquanox and crimson skies :) Very cool :D

[eviltechie]

is it DVI + VGA? or dual VGA??

how about adaptors for s-video out?

i dont like s-video very much
because the cable is so expensive for running distance...

id rather have coaxial... even though the quality is bad

im still struggling on the decisions..
ill have to talk to my parts supplier, see what he says

Power Colour is quite cheap too

[accurateimage]

I have mine running to the tv on svideo and it rocks, it can support running both the tv and my monitor in 4 different modes which is awsome. Also it came with no cables but you can buy those seperate. Here is some more specs on it http://www.pny.com/home/products/Vcard_ti4200.cfm
So far I am 100% happy with the cheap little card. Does everything exactly as I want it to.

[eviltechie]

well there are no Geforce 4 cards that have coaxial out anyways

the comp is in my room and the TV is in the living room

it would be quite a distance to run s-video cable and signal would be weak for this kind of setup

but what the hell is the purpose of hooking my card to tv anyways, i dont have much needs for it
unless i want to record some stuff onto vhs....
(porn for example)

lol
j/k
physical evidence is not good... :P

[accurateimage]

I download movies "screeners for legal purposes" 24-7 and watch them all the time, that is why I have mine hooked up to the tv. My run is over 30 feet I would say, but the signal is still very good, you get a tiny bit of screen roll but it is not noticeable when the movie is paying, just when the screen is black, my fav thing is I can be working on the pc and playing a movie on the tv at the same time! Or I can watch the movie on my screen and my girl or friends can be watching it in the other room if I am working at the same time, it has all the functions I want.

[eviltechie]

shouldnt u be spending time with ur gf though?

lol

[Jazzman]

My scores? WELL

Stock, the card was about 9300. This is at 250/512 settings. System running at 133fsb*12.5 mult for 1666 mhz. (XP 2000+)

With the system at 144FSB (1800mhz, XP2200+ speed) and the Card at 300/600, I got this:

http://www.eagle5.net/store/high.jpg

This of course, Is with stock MSI HSF and NO ramsinks. Completely stable. runs at this speed for the past.... 4 or 5 weeks now. Not bad for 140$! :)

[accurateimage]

Dude you have to actually show all of your setting, not just the final score, I can get over 12000 if I set it up to do so *L* Next time take a shot of your settings in the program next to your score, it also identifies your card.

[Jazzman]

sorry. I am new to this kind of thing, I've never had hardware worth "showing off" before, so I dont really know how to do it right.

SOOOOORRRRYYYYY.

seriously- I dont mean to seem egotistical or have a "mine is better than yours" frame of mind at all, you asked for my scores, I gave them to you. simple as that.

In any event, if its that big of deal to you and you think i'm lying or whatever, I'll take another run tonight when I get back to my place. and take a full picture this time.

[accurateimage]

Right on dude :) Never said you were lying and showing of is what places like this are about *LOL* I was just letting you know what you should display when it comes to benchmarks. I get questioned all the time and one guy even leading me to beleive I had an underclocked 2200+ and really not a 2100+ *LOL* Just had to show the correct stuff and it was all good. If your 4200 can reach those scores that is killer :D IS that under xp or w2k..?? I cannot push mine any further. 340 / 580 is the absolute best it will do with no artifacts or lockups, just 5 mhz faster on the chip or DDR does not work so I have it pegged. While my chip has the fasted clock right now out of any 4200ti I have seen, the ram lack a bit compared to other cards which really hurts my scores. from getting up to the very top. I am working on other cooling methods for it to try to push it over the limit :D

[Jazzman]

I run winxp. and I agree, the 3.6ns ddr on these cards is what makes them SOOOO saweeeet! That and its pretty red PCB mmmmm looks better than those new radeon things! (but doesn't perform as well :() ah well.

[accurateimage]

The all red would look killer in my girls MSI setup, all my stuff is silver with blue / indiglow lighting so red would look funny. The purple PNY looks pretty decent with blue sinks and copper cooler.

[Jazzman]

my case is greened so the red kinda sticks out funny in there too. but meh. I dont mind it, considering its by far the l33t3st system i've ever owned. 8)

[eviltechie]

i wasnt asking for comparison, just a figure so i know how fast his oc is


colour doesnt bother me
because i have no window

hehe

[Tcbil]

I have a leadtek ti4200 and the cooling system is quite good i managed to overclock it to the equivalent of a ti4500 (300 550)

[accurateimage]

should be able to get faster than that man, I thought mine was running a bit slow at 340 / 580.

[Tcbil]

Ill try tonight, thanks for the advice

[accurateimage]

Just go slow first with the chip in 5 mhz steps until you start seeing artifacts, then back it off 2-3mhz or until they go away on 2001se. Then up the ram in 5 mhz increments from your current settings until the same happens or it freezes then back it off 5 mhz. Then you will have the card at its' peak which is pretty amazing!

[Tcbil]

ok thats cool, il try that

[CiKoTiC]

That is a good score with that card AI. :)

Here is mine. You can also click on the link in my sig to compare.

And this IS an overclocked system. My G4 4600 core clock is at 310MHz and my Memory is at 700MHZ. I'm hoping to up both clocks when I get my new fan and ram sinks this week.

http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/c/i/cik01/KX7-333.jpg

http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/c/i/cik01/settings.jpg

[accurateimage]

Sweetness man, that is a good score! wish I had a 4600 :D Then I would do some serious overclocking hehe :D Just made a super cooler system for my card with 2 80mm fans blowing on top and bottom sinks *LOL* I was bored and had extra fans hehe :D managed to get the ram up 5mhz, but nothing more on the chip.

[CiKoTiC]

Yea, I'm very pleased with my system right now. I have everything tweaked to the max right now and while keeping it stable so I concentrating on making the inside look cool. :)

[accurateimage]

oh yeah dude, did ya see the team stats on seti..?? heheh I am catching you and gonna pass you tommorow or the next day >:)

[CiKoTiC]

Sweeeeet, I noticed you were doing them like a mad man. :P

How many systems you got working on it?

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I have two running right now, can kick 2 more on for fun :D, the first two are 1900+ and 2100+ athlons, the 2100+ is overclocked to 2200+ specifications, both running 512 of ddr, the 1900+ running pc2100 and my 2100+ running pc2700. Both are calibrated to the palomino core and run around 280 or more flops at any givin time :D

[CiKoTiC]

I was running 2 systems but I had to take one off line for a while. Should have it back up in a week or two.

Glad to see ya doing so well with it. It's lonely being at the top all the time. :P

[accurateimage]

*L* yeah were is everyone else..?? Some people are not even trying, have like a total of 2 sets done, think you should promote it more :D

[CiKoTiC]

Humm, dunno how I could promote it more than what we have already done.

Maybe Keefe could put a little ad or promo on the main page. hint... hint.

[accurateimage]

hmm.. will do some thinking.

[CiKoTiC]

Yo AI, do you have ICQ? If not, you really should use it.

[accurateimage]

Sorry dude I hate ICQ *L* I have everything else though, got ride of icq awhile ago, prefere yahoo

[CiKoTiC]

Blah! :mad:


Get ICQ so we can chat dude.

[eviltechie]

ICQ is giving me troubles

using 98% of cpu when i have my Tiny Personal Firewall on...

weird...

[accurateimage]

*LOL* I use yahoo, aol, and msn, take your pick :)

[eviltechie]

what program do you use to oc your Ti4200?

NVMAX?
coolbits add on?"

[accurateimage]

I personally use coolbits first, overclock it to 300 / 550 and then install powerstrip, powerstrip then see's it as a stock 300 / 550 card so I have all the headroom in the world for overclocking, so I set my coolbits back to default and powerstrip is all good :)

[CiKoTiC]

Yo AI, I added the Thermaltake G4 cooler and ram sinks to my vid card today... How'd it do? Check out my new 3D Mark. :biggrin:

Core = 320
Mem = 725

[accurateimage]

Sweetness dude :) so what could you run before..?? hehe I run a faster core but my ram sucks :)

[eviltechie]

very decent

cikotic, please tell me what you think of the G4 copper cooler

ai seems to like it alot, i need more inputs...

i thought the msi cooller is pretty good already although its a bit loud

[CiKoTiC]

Eviltechie, I have to say I am VERY impressed with the Thermaltake copper cooler. I was a little taken back when I first saw how thin 2 of the ram sinks are but they seem to be doing their job.

Also, the fan on the heat sink came with a 3 pin connector that would not plug into the 2 pin connector on the video card itself. I had to use the included adapter to plug it directly into my pwr supply. It's really not a big deal but you have to remember to plug it back up if you ever take the video card out.

The fan and heatsink are of very good quality. The stock fans on the G4 cards put out around 3-4 CFM and the Thermaltake puts out 10 CFM which is very nice.

Before I added the kit, I wasn't able to go above 310MHz on the core and 710MHz on the memory. I can now do 320 and 725 respectivly.

Does adding the kit help performace? You bet it does, my 3D Mark score went up from 12705 to 12870 so I would say it's worth every penny.

Hope this helps. :)

EDIT: I thought I would post a pic for you showing the heat sinks on the card to demonstrate the 2 different sizes.

[accurateimage]

Sweetness man :) I loved my cooler also but chose not to mess with the ram sinks that came with it, I thought the backside ones were a joke and threw them in the drawer with the pile of heatsinks I have *L* I just mainly wanted the copper cooler :) ANd awsome on those scores! Man having the ram so fast really must rock!

[CiKoTiC]

AI, what do you think the reasoning behind those thin heatsinks was? The only thing I can think of is if there was a space issue. :rolleyes:

[accurateimage]

Dude I have no idea, looked like they chose them to fit the plastic package *LOL*Plus they kinda mislead ya for the package states somthing like copper coller set or somthing like that so I thought it was all copper even the sinks which would have rocked but looked closer and found goofy anodized aluminum sinks, the ones on my PNY were actually better stock! That is why I bought the nice thermaltake ones out of the ramcooler set, I think they are very snazzy and work well for even my stock sinks got very very warm almost hot to the touch when overclocked.
The new ram sinks run cool especially with an 80mm fan on top and an 80mm on bottom hehehe :)

[CiKoTiC]

No doubt they could have made it the best product in this catagory if they hadn't cheezed out on the ram sinks. :rolleyes:

Oh yea, AI, I sent you a message via Yahoo messenger. Did you get it? And check you personal messages in this forum. :P

[eviltechie]

yo AI, how bout sendind me those ramsink??
lol

isnt the MSI stock cooler very powerful??
about 9.8 CFM?

heres a review of the Thermaltake Copper Geforce 4 cooler i found
http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cooling/thermaltake/gf4cu/gf4cu.htm

and here is one crazy mod i saw a while back and just found the url again
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1106

[accurateimage]

Right on good review, and I agree the front sinks should be the small ones and thermaltake did a jackass job and made the fins longways when it should have them from short side to short side because they would be provided with active cooling on the front via the air coming out of the copper cooler. Kinda retarded, that is why I scrapped any idea's of using them, I do have a very nice full set of polished aluminum ram sinks off my rig if anyone wants them or you can get the ones from my copper cooler, sell each set for $4 + shipping.

[eviltechie]

pics please

[eviltechie]

how exactly do u fit the ramsink onto the ram when there is that resistor taller than the ram????

the pair of rams above the GPU

[accurateimage]

The thermaltake ones have cutouts that raise the heat sink up of the board away from the resistor, Will post photo's up tommorow of the sinks I have available.

[eviltechie]

which 1 raises up?
the blue or the gold ones?

[accurateimage]

The gold ones, I do not have anymore of the blue, I have polished silver which does not raise and I have the gold which does, the same ones that come in the thermaltake kit.

[eviltechie]

oh thats good then

and it does perform well right?

if so, ill buy a kit

[accurateimage]

Yeah the kit rocks, but the gold sinks leave somthing to be desired, but if you have no sinks they definitly would make a difference.

[eviltechie]

im planning to buy my Ti4200 128mb next week

Aopen Aeolus Ti4200 128mb

with VIVO not that i really need it

but at the price of 239 CAD
or 151 USD

pretty cheap now and i think its a good time to jump in
next week
it might drop a little more

[accurateimage]

You can get a 4400 for a little more, would be worth the jump, I only went to a 4200 because I got it for like $120 somthing

[accurateimage]

Hello!
You guys wanted to see the sinks I have laying around well here they are :) They are all video related and 1 north or southbridge sink. Let me know if any of you want any! And no they are not free :)

[accurateimage]

Ok guys this is the coolest sweetest most kick a** 4200ti I have seen so far :) No idea on the performance but it sure does look cool! Can anyone gues who made this card..?? hehe

[Jazzman]

:-D

This is the new abit suluro 4200

ABIT Siluro GF4 Ti4200 OTES 64MB DVI/TV-out

Outside Thermal Exhaust System(OTES)

Look how far the thing goes over the RAM though- can't put sinks on THAT.....

http://65.119.30.151/productimage/14-123-116-04.JPG

[accurateimage]

I know but looks sick cool :) could pu the tiny ram sinks from the thermaltake system on it :D

[eviltechie]

you mean from tweak monster?

btw
are those gold sinks from the Geforce 4 kit good for Standard RAM or just BGA or both??

Ti4400 will be more expensive
more than 80 bucks of a difference here in canada

plus, they are discontinueing it so it is hard to find in vancouver

that abit card looks sweet, they are a little crazy i think...
wasting 2 slots...
might as well use heatpipes...
also is it AGP8x? or 4x?

[eviltechie]

btw i think its good if the heatsink on that goes over 2 rams

those 2 rams dont need any ramsink because the heatsink will cool them

[eviltechie]

http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/ae_4200/images/title.jpg

AI, could you post a closeup pic of the gold coloured heatsink from the TT geforce 4 kit please
i really need to see if it has a hole deep enuf to fit that big chunk of resistor

you see that resistor above the GPU, between those 2 top rams?
i know it seems small compared to other resistors on the card but it is tall compared to the ram...

also i have a question
the Aopen's Ti4200 has 250MHz nVIDIA Geforce 4 TI4200 via 500MHz -4ns DDR ram

the core sure has a lot of headroom because its a 128mb model

but how about the ram?
whats the equation again, anyone?
if i were really to spend more cash on a Ti4400, that would probably get me a 3.3ns ram setup right? which means more room for overclocking?

i need some help in deciding now
thanx in advance for any opinions

[accurateimage]

It would not clear that, only bums up about 1mm.

[eviltechie]

darn

so i need to cut a hole for it?

also how big is it?
hows the coverage for standard ram?

[accurateimage]

The ramitself is 2 1/8 inches by 1/2 inches approx. and yeah looks like you would have to dremel it out.

[eviltechie]

hmm i dont think ill oc right away when i get it

since it is pretty good already, ill leave it as it is for half a year or something until some game really demand me to OC

[Joe Shmoe]

Hello All! I am wondering how you get those dumb silver heatsinks off of the PNY card without damaging the ram. Also the ram sink on the back o the card hits the clips for my main system ram! Any soulutions? :wavey:

[accurateimage]

heave.... ho.....

[aoC_PRoZaK]

isn't that a capacitor u guys r talkin' bout?

[Dana Mirrow]

Hey can someone tell me where i can buy some heatsinks for my geforce4 ti 4200, and where i can get a cheap thermaltake cooler for my ti 4200

also, can someone help me through AIM on overclocking it? id appreciate it!

:-)