Serial ATA Hard Drives

[Keefe]

Over the past month I have seen a few new motherboards with Serial ATA Raid controllers on them. I have not been able to find and serial ata hard drives yet. Who will be producing them and when will they be available?

[eviltechie]

aha

i was just reading some articles on this a few mins ago

we think the same... :)

ok

Seagate is planning on releasing theirs in this fall

Maxtor and WD will finish developing the interface for their drives later on

for full sets of info, visit the PCWorld website (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103268,00.asp) <---- Linked to the article

[eviltechie]

a little more reading materials

http://www.serialata.org/news/pdf/finalsataf02.pdf

[accurateimage]

looks cool, cannot wait for the 300mb/s and 600mb/s drives I read about hehehe :D

[BobyJo]

I am supposed to get info on controllers for mobo's that don't have Serial ATA connectors.
Also info in a converter to allow your IDE drives to work on a serial ata controller.
Haven't received this info as yet.

[eviltechie]

you can find it in this review
http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/02q3/020812/index.html

including info on adapter

[OJ]

OK, more info in my quest for the best storage... I'll check out those articles, but can someone post a quick outline of what exactly serial ATA is? Basically in comparison to standard ATA...

[eviltechie]

read the article which link is provided in my previous post

[OJ]

Great, that's exactly what I needed, thanks. Looks like I'll be waiting for that to get on board before I make any big buying decisions.

[eviltechie]

np

[BobyJo]

The small cables are really nice and the improved data transfers speed is great.
I read the speed of the data flow is not up to par as yet on some drives. So it may be a good thing to wait, until the drives get thier stuff down right before purchasing.
I believe the new IBM GXP120 drives are SATA so there are some already out there.
Don't know about the others.

[eviltechie]

lol :lol:
new IBM GXP120 drives are SATA so there are some already out there

where did you hear that from???

[accurateimage]

man I hate how everything evolves so ast *L* :) Will be keeping my rig for awhile, least a year or so, very happy with it and my WD drives. Oh well :)

[eviltechie]

im thinking of spending money for a new system next year if i ever get some...

[BobyJo]

I received this news letter from IBM, I guess I looked at it wrong. It appears the Competitor X is the one that has SATA drives. I don't know who Competitor X is.
I would think Competitor X is Western Digital,
Competitor Y would be Maxtor, &
Competitor Z would be Seagate.
I may be all wet on this.

http://www.exacttarget.com/view_email.asp?msg=359707&lst=24291_HTML&eml=sharon@eagleperformancepcs.com

[eviltechie]

its Seagate thats having the S-ATA

IBM presented their GXP180 for the servers as using E-ATA
EnterpriseATA

nothing to do with serial...

it just mean its faster than ATA 100 and 133

[OJ]

How does SATA compare to some of the faster SCSI drives? Maybe they'll steal SCSI's thunder if they can make prices anywhere near what they are now for ATA drives.

[eviltechie]

oh yeah
when it comes out...
it will be around the price of top of the line ATA hard drive at current

[BobyJo]

The actual data transfer is supposed to be at or above the Raid setups. I don't know about scsi, don't remember if that was mentioned.

[eviltechie]

i think ultra wide SCSI is still faster than S-ATA

but S-ATA offers mass storage...
120GB+

that is something SCSI dont have

and S-ATA will come in the price of near ATA

because controllers are already implemented in the market and people are already getting ready for the hard drives :)

[OJ]

Sweet. These things are going to be awesome. Big, fast drives, without having to resort to RAID or SCSI. Hard drives have always been a bottleneck in PC performance, right? So now with a big improvement in that area, the next generation is going to be killer.

Man, I can't wait for my next system!! :) Bumped up FSBs and RAM speed, S-ATA, the new generation of 2gig+ processors (what comes after Thoroghbred?)... I love when a bunch of upgrades and improvements coincide!!

[eviltechie]

hehe

we all are anxious to see these new babies

Barton comes after Thoroughbred
and ClawHammer and SledgeHammer comes after Barton which will change things even way more!

64bit processing... :clap:

actualy a PC has so many bottlenecks compared to a Mac...

but i dont want to go into there
lets just say that PC is improving day by day
:biggrin:

[OJ]

That's right! I remember hearing something about the ~hammer series... time for more research. :) While we're on the subject, what are the worst PC bottlenecks?

-HD is one
-Seems like system bus would be another

What else is there? Processors, vid cards, and RAM are all pretty darn speedy these days, so are they being held up by everything else? Even AGP 4x is really as fast as current systems can use, so 8x really isn't that significant.

[BobyJo]

This why the next build for a system to test and sell will be the Epox 8RDA+ NForce2.
This board has everything mentioned.
Accepts the new cpu's coming out from AMD, fsb's up to 333, Dual DDR memory access, All the OC'ing tweaks, SATA drive controller built in, Does not have IGP, I can use the video I wish.
Don't know of anything else I would ask for, this board seems to be the VIA killer for now.
I would like VIA to improve thier chipset performance, mainly bus speed and memory data speed between the memory slots and cpu.
These are the main reason the NForce2 sounds so good.
I hope the boards are up to the hipe created by the written reports of what they should be.

[teldar]

The deal with serial ATA is all bus speed. sata 150 has nothing to do with the speed of the hard drive, just the speed of the bus at this point in time.. The fastest hard drives out there (even the brand new 150 gig + ones) only read at 60 meg/sec. Say you have two of them. That's 120 meg per second. ATA 133 can do that. The other constraint is the PCI bus itself. You have to have a motherboard system bus that can transport > 133 meg per second for any of the SATA to mean anything.... Thaat means boards with PCIX, 3GIO, or, (best imho) Hyper Transport.

THE ONLY BENEFIT OF SATA IN THE NEXT PEOBABLY TWO YEARS IS THINNER CABLES. PERIOD

Like I say, you simply need a higher bus speed.
So in relation to raid ata? Raid ata even on a normal bus will be much faster. Serial raid is suppose to be better than ata133 raid though.

SCSI? SCSI rips all butt apart. period. how can you argue with 8ms sccess time and 80meg/sec transfer times? and 5 years reliability?
you can't
ata simply can't compete in terms of performance...
of course $1k for a drive, or $300 for a drive? that's the benefit of ata.