mac apps

[Mac_forever]

You might have heard that apple also introduced a few new apps, like Keynote (presentation soft), safari( web browser) and others. They want to be the middle of the entertainment (multimedia) hub and are succeeding.
More games are coming to the mac. Some programs that were on both sides have went to the mac side only.

[eviltechie]

hmm

i wonder who is behind all this
is steve jobs still active as he was before?

[Mac_forever]

I think Jobs has something to do with the new Apple.

[eviltechie]

yeah he has always been the big arm pushing the whole company

i wonder what the engineers of Mac, Lisa 2... are doing for living now?

[Grinnin Reaper]

more games for mac huh? what's that bring the total to 6 or 7? not sayin there horrible (don't think I'ld like one) but MAC's have to be one of hardest things to get software for, I have more luck findin' Linux apps.

[eviltechie]

yeah
and i find linux great for dedicated server game hosting

such as Battlefield 1942

i just helped my friend load on redhat on his 1.4 GHz a few days ago
hes hosting CS and BF now
all is well

but as for Mac, at this moment, barely any good games

[TheRogue]

mohaa is on the mac (i think)

um, thats all i can think of

[Mac_forever]

It is true that there isn't a lot of games for the Mac. But they are coming from the PC side. In some instances they come on both systems at the same time. Unreal is on the mac as well as the pc.

Now for software, Look at any computer website that also sells macs, and you can find 1000s of programs. On the mac you have all the basic software that the pc has. The mac has Microsoft Office, Photoshop, internet browsers, and many other programs. What the pc has the mac has generally. The main genres on the PC the Mac has.
The iApps are the best. How many of you use the movie maker that windows comes with? Now how many people would like to us iMovie and iDVD?
The last Star Wars movie, Episode 2, used Macs for some of the scenes. Now could you do that with windows computers.

[eviltechie]

just remember that PC isnt just windows

its got Linux also!

and we all know that Linux is great for all sorts of stuff that Mac is good at too

[Mac_forever]

You are right, but Linux programs are usually free anyways. The majority of computers out there are windows based. I am just comparing the windows computer and the mac.
Another thing is that you can get linux for the mac also.

[xMerCLorDx]

I don't mind linux, but the GNU license has fucking dictatorship written all over the kernel. Don't believe me? go read the full thing.

www.gnu.org

I mean the cause is good and all, and then Linus gets all the credit (even though its based on unix, which shouldn't be governed like this).

sorry to bring this to an unsuspecting thread but its been on my mind :P

[TheRogue]

the GNU license is about protecting your IP while promoting openness

also, unix was basically proprietry, linux is based on a unix clone minix which was open source, thats the codebase which linus used to start on linux

he gets credit for starting linux, and for maintaining it, but there are many other people who get credit for helping with linux, every "project" has to have some kind of figurehead which people know

[xMerCLorDx]

I really need you to explain what you meant by "it protects your IP"

I realize its about open source, and thats really awesome thats not why I have a problem with the GNU license.

But its "his" you cannot change and release new kernels without asking him and getting permission from him. Also he always gets the credit for any changes to actual linux from whenever it was made until Linus dies, and probably beyond. Even if you are the coder that comes out with some ingenious new thing in the kernel, Linus owns it.

[Omega]

I would say that there are better applications available for PC than there are for Macintosh, but the software that Apple offers for free with its operating systems is better than the software Windows offers with its. Granted, I've never tried to use Window MovieMaker, or use Windows Media Player to transfer music to a device, but I've used iMovie, and found it to be moderately nice, and I've heard iTunes is pretty nice (and yes, I know these aren't the only applications included, but they're two examples).

[eviltechie]

yeah good thing is they standarize things better

one good example is NVIDIA's unified driver
its easy and not messy yet does a great job

and thats what Apple was aiming for
as for windows...
flying all over the place

although i still like the freedom to choose which airplane to fly in...
yet getting the good speed and luxury, and cheap (free)

so linux is great
kinda a mixture of philosophy of Apple and a dash of accessibility from Microsoft
;)

[TheRogue]

afaik you can modify the linux kernel... and release it, but you can't call it the linux kernel, you would have to call it something else, it would be a fork, and you would have to include credit and copyright (or left or whatever) crap giving credit for what parts you didn't do

however im not a legal export nor an expert on the GPL.. i've read it a few times, but like any legal document does anyone _really_ understand what it means? :)

[xMerCLorDx]

no but i've broken down what i understand from what i hear and parts that made sense... and essentially that if you do change the kernel you cannot release it with your ownership.

Everyones complaining about bill and i bring up this about linus ;)