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CiKoTiC
01-22-2003, 09:59 PM
After a little educating myself on ATI based cards I think I'm able to give a sudo review of this card and how to easily mod it.

I'm sure everyone that's a regular here knows I'm a diehard nVidia user. However, after seeing that ATI has apperently got a good set of drivers out, I decided to purchase a Sapphire 9500 128mb card to see if I could mod it to a 9700 using the latest Rivatuner.

After a few hours of trial and error, I was able to figure out the core and memory speeds as well as the optimum display settings. The one thing that puzzled me at first was the default memory settings... It was set to 270 as default but the specs told me it should be 540. I didn't know you had to multiply 270 x 2 to get the default. :biggrin:

After running 3dMark a few times, I was able to score in the 12K range pretty easily. Not bad considering the default core and memory clock speeds of 275/270(x2) (respectively).

So, once I had all that figured out to some certainty, I felt it was time to see if this so called "9500 to 9700" conversion would work. (To be honest, I had my reservations about it). After about a dozen re-installs of the drivers, I didn't get any results until I decided to to a manual install. Once I did that, the patch appeared to work because my display settings finally said it was a 9700. Verifing it was easy. I just ran the fill rate test in 3dMark and sure enough, I was getting above 2.2Mtexels/s. Right on par for a 9700! :)

Now I was ready to a real 3dMark test... After a few run throughs, I was scoring the 15K range pretty easily. But how would it overclock was my next question?? I set the core to 300 and the memory to 300 (x2 equals 600) and ran the tests. I consistintly scored between 16K and 16.1K. Anything above those clock settings would result in extreme tearing or a locked system.

In conclusion... I must say that the Sapphire 9500 128MB (non pro) is a fantanstic buy. With overnight priority shipping from newegg, I paid 180 bucks for it and was able to out score my g4 ti4600 which costs a heck of lot more. If you want the best bang for the buck, look no further. With the RivaTuner soft9700 mod, you can have the same performance of the 9700 without voiding your warrenty. And a 4000 point increase in 3dMark is not that bad. :nod:

As I stated before, I've always been a hardcore nVidia user so if there are any doubts about my findings being biased, you can absolutly forget it. I'm just an ordinary joe that ordered the card just like anyone else would. I put it to real world tests with no re-installing of the OS or fancy jerry-rigging to get it to work. I was an absolute ATI newbie using an ordinary system. 8)

Jason425
01-22-2003, 10:32 PM
800 mhz and faster ram gives 3+k. *sigh* :shake:

eviltechie
01-22-2003, 10:35 PM
different mobo
different ram

its been said already that ur ram is PC800 not PC1066

also different card

eviltechie
01-22-2003, 10:44 PM
oh btw cik, how did u manual install it
what did you mean by that?

i might consider this

CiKoTiC
01-22-2003, 10:46 PM
Compaired to what Jason? Your system?

3dMark scores are not easily attained. If my tested scores are 3K or better than yours... then yea, 800Mhz and faster ram is well worth it for that added performance.

You have a great system. Nothing to be disappointed over. You can easily add a faster processor or memory and it would greatly increase the performance. Most people have to upgrade more than that to get the gains you would.

Edit for ET:

After you install the latest drivers (3.0). You will notice that they created a temp directory where they were un-zipped to. Run the RivaTuner patch script on the temp directory. Read the FAQ and it will tell you were and what to patch. http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthread.php?s=635b208412bd98dbe5286b04891b4819&threadid=45430

After you've run the patch and all is ok. Don't run the driver set-up as stated in the FAQ. Go to the control panel and do an UPDATE DRIVER and select have disk and then point it to the patched temp directory.

eviltechie
01-22-2003, 10:50 PM
yeah man
u have a killer comp already
im only scoring in the 6500 range

so whats there to complain about 10000+

CiKoTiC
01-22-2003, 11:00 PM
ET, read my edit to the above post.

Jason425
01-22-2003, 11:23 PM
its been said already that ur ram is PC800 not PC1066

thus the point i made, thx for the reassurance, I have to balance the want to save money and the want to have a better score! :P

Jason425
01-22-2003, 11:25 PM
one issue with the manual install.. there is no longer advanced tweaks in the display properties thing.. though there is probably another way to do it, just letting you know.

CiKoTiC
01-22-2003, 11:46 PM
What advanced tweaks?

As far as I can tell... everyone else (forums) had to do the same thing.

If you talking about the clock settings tab, then that's easily enabled via RadClocker.

Jason425
01-23-2003, 12:23 AM
where you could set AA settings, pic quality, trueform, vertical sync, etc.. i never saw a clock thing but thats what rivatuner is for

accurateimage
01-23-2003, 04:14 AM
Sweetness :D Cik has gone to the dark side also :firedevil: Good card so far man..?? driver working ok and all..?? running dx9..??

accurateimage
01-23-2003, 04:26 AM
Oh yeah, lets do the passmark rating! Let me know what you want me to set my chip and ram at on the ati card then we can compare the intel to amd side by side in their overclocking states so vid cards has nothing to do with it :) Let me know what other tests you want me to run also!

Also I think your pc is just a tit faster than mine, I ran 3dse at 299.3 / 299.3 underclocked and got 16027 so I think so far they are pretty much dead even when it comes to graphics performance except your micro edge it seems! :D coolness and congrats on that awsome inexpensive card, thought it would rock for someone!.

CiKoTiC
01-23-2003, 05:13 PM
Jason, the drivers and control panel are separate downloads.

Jason425
01-23-2003, 07:10 PM
indeed, and in the advanced install the control panel is not installed.. like it is in the regular installation

eviltechie
01-23-2003, 11:20 PM
ah thanx cik

tricky tricky

but its all worth it eh?
so does that patch includes auto bios flash?

dkinder27
01-24-2003, 07:57 AM
I too just purchased a Sapphire Radeon 9500 128MB to replace my Ti 4200. Right out of the box, the 3dmark scores were on par with my Ti 4200. Then, I performed this patch following the instructions on www.guru3d.com, which was basically summarized at the beginning of this thread. My 3dmark score jumped 2000 points as a result of this patch. When overclocking with RivaTuner I can get up to 300 core/300 X 2 mem before tearing occurs. One caveat about this patch, it will not work for those who have a 9500 PRO. Check out the forums at guru3d and the article that was a news item at this site from designtechnica for more info. I am glad I got my hands on one of these cards before Newegg sold out of them. This is a great way to maximize your price/performance ratio. I just hope that future driver versions from ATI do not try and nerf this cool little software patch.

CiKoTiC
01-24-2003, 04:58 PM
ET, you do not flash the bios at all. The patch is for the drivers. That's why you don't void your warrnty. :biggrin:

dkinder27, I had the same problem trying to OC with RivaTuner. It would only reach 300/300. I started using Radclocker and am able to OC to 378/300. Read the other thread I started about the 9500 and you will see the difference. :)

eviltechie
01-24-2003, 08:26 PM
oh i see
but OC does void the warranty

man... looks like its time for me to sell this Ti4200 and go ahead with the ATI?

everyone... lets jump into the darkside! :lol:

[KBK]Hitman
05-26-2003, 03:59 AM
14.5k stock no o/c, converted it to 9700. :biggrin:


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