Thermaltakes new products

[Gixxer420]

Cases

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/Xaser3Menu.htm

Pretty nice!!!

Cpu cooling

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/subzero/subzero4g.htm#p4

[eviltechie]

theyve got those on their site since comdex 2002

it seems that the SubZero4 is being delayed but it looks like a performer

i cant wait to see how it does and how it combats moisture and condensation

[BobyJo]

I have requested the info on pricing and availability for my business to sell these.
I stock the SLK800's at this time. Have not had much in sales on this item, primarily due the price. (I believe)
This cooler may be the same, guess I will find out. Looks good

[eviltechie]

how much are you selling the SLK-800s, boby?

[CiKoTiC]

From Dan's Data letter #14

Peltier power?
At Comdex this year, Thermaltake was showing off this.

My initial thought was, "Wow, what a great product, now I can use a Peltier cooler without having to worry about condensation problems", seeing as how the electronics keep it from ever reaching the dew point. But after thinking for a while I realized that the reason most people use Peltiers to cool their CPUs is so that they can reach insanely cold temperatures. So my question is - if the Peltier isn't being used to its full potential, is it being wasted? Will the CPU actually get colder than it would if it was cooled by a regular heatsink and fan?

Brandon

Answer:
The SubZero4G does indeed promise to keep a CPU cool, but above the dew point, provided the dew point is above 26 degrees C. Which it probably is, unless you're in the middle of a rainforest or a monsoon.

That's not really the problem, though. The problem is that many CPUs will output too much heat for this thing to handle.

The maximum quoted power consumption of the PCI-card controller for the SubZero4G is 73 watts. That's not very high, by Peltier cooling rig standards. Even if you assume all 73 watts is powering the Peltier element, then unless the Peltier is quite amazingly efficient, it'll only be able to move around 60 watts of heat, and will only have a cold-side temperature about 10 degrees C below its hot-side temperature when it's doing that.

So if your CPU outputs more than about 60 watts of heat - a 2.5GHz or higher P4 will, when it's working reasonably hard, and so will a current Athlon XP 2000+ or higher - I imagine this cooler will toast the processor, because the Peltier element just can't move that much heat. And if your CPU outputs about 60 watts, this cooler will only keep it 10 degrees below the temperature of the air inside the case, at best. Here in Sydney, Australia, at this time of year, it's not at all amazing to see day time temperatures of more than 40 degrees Celsius in the shade. It's quite a lot warmer inside computer cases in un-air-conditioned premises.

I'll be interested to see if the SubZero4G can actually handle the heat output of the high-end processors that Thermaltake mention at the beginning of the product page.



Also, it looks like TT is using a product called the AC4G made by ActiveCool and just adding eye candy and their name to it.
http://activecool.com/products/ac4g.html

[eviltechie]

heres where i read it from a few months ago

some more pics
http://overclockersclub.com/comdexfall2002.php

http://overclockersclub.com/images/comdex/activecoolcold.jpg

http://overclockersclub.com/images/comdex/activecoolpci.jpg

[CiKoTiC]

I'm not that impressed with it's performance.

[eviltechie]

i think its alright..
quieter and cooler than a powerful delta...

[BobyJo]

evilteche::Retail on these coolers is $52.95 without a fan.
Any fan from 80mm and down will work without any problems.
Different thickness fans are compensated by different holes in the side of the hs for the retainers to attach.
I have had a Tornado 84cfm fan on this hs and it works great. Super temps.
If you want one for yourself send a pm and we can see what we can do in the price thing.

[eviltechie]

lol no wonder your sales on it is low

http://www.coolerguys.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=840556031031&Category_Code=CPC-AMD

$35.95

[CiKoTiC]

hehe....

:shake:

[BobyJo]

I purchase directly from the mfg.
So I guess Cooler Guys probably purchases them by the 10,000 lots.
My actual cost on the hs is $35.00 + S&H.
So you get the idea that the little guys are pretty much left out when it comes to buying in quantities.
You may think it is funny, and laugh if you wish, but that is the honest truth.
My cost is $35.00 each + s&h.

I would state that if you would search the web. You will find a lot more of close to the retail price than you will at the price CoolerGuys is getting for them.
Maybe Thermalright made these guys a deal if they would take a load off thier hands.

[eviltechie]

buying in bulk is the main thing

the more the cheaper
we all know that

but since coolerguys is selling it for that much
things do get competitive and market tends to tip to one side

once reason that i always wanted to start a company but always decided against it...
because it is really tuff to get to that level