Do you war drive?

[Keefe]

Who here has actually gone war driving?

Post your setup and experiences here!

[james]

i haven't, but i just ordered an 802.11b that i got for free (5 bucks shipping) from buy.com. I might have to try this out and see how it works . . (this could be fun..)

[Keefe]

How did you get the card for free?

Keefe

[james]

bensbargains.net it's actually a rebate for $40, a little more than selling price :P

it's old now, but it might still be good. look on this archive page: http://bensbargains.net/old/arc3.shtml DAMN! you can get free shipping now if you're a new customer (they didn't have that when i ordered). enjoy!

[xMerCLorDx]

ok i f**king hit backspace on my bigass post..basically here it is shortened:

we do it all the time, my friend busted his SMA connector on his 5dbi avaya car antenna..

i'm not living there anymore and now i got a car down in california where i just moved. i'm going to build a car-puter soon. here are some good relevant links:

fuck i hate hitting back on posts.


Car Computer:
http://www.mp3car.com/
http://www.dashpc.com/
http://www.madhacker.org/computerincar.htm
http://www.vb.quik.com/jmciver/pages/computer.html
http://www.joethielen.com/cars/gps_mp3.html
http://www.kg4cnm.com/Car.htm

LCD's:
http://www.matrixorbital.com/
http://www.crystalfontz.com/


Wardriving Shitz:
http://www.netstumbler.com/
http://www.wirelesscon.com/live/
http://www.ethereal.com/


and wardriving on open networks is not illegal, if they are not using WEP there is no effort for security and it is considered an open system. if you start messing with intellectual property on the network however, on a persons machine, it is illegal. my friends and i use it to get internet anywhere there is an open network, we also give advise to people whose networks are insecure if they are not with a simple flyer we have created.

thats just a thing we feel is honest and necessary to keep wardriving legal.

802.11a/b/g is very insecure, its just ridiculus when large networks use it with no security measures..

ok enough bla bla i'm gonna get started on my car-puter ;D


if you are interested in car computers there are a few things you need/should get:

a little electrical knowledge ( this is the main thing i need! )
spare battery
power inverter
LCD's are select
serial or other video display adapter for the LCD.
a good operating system, i do not suggest windows as it takes too long to boot, and it takes a lot more resources to run things smoothly. most unix-like OS's are much more efficient for these purposes ( mp3, movies, etc. )
some other suggested things include wireless pci nic, big HD, some cat-5 wall jacks lol and install them in your fuckin doors for wardrivin HAHAH

ok i'm having way too much fun...i'm gonna go buy some parts lol!

[Keefe]

Here are some other good war-driving resources I have found:

Huge Resource site - http://wirelessanarchy.com
Seattle Wireless - http://www.seattlewireless.net
Nice War-driving setup and how-to - http://www.geekspeed.net/~beetle/download/wardrive/
Satellite Image mapping - http://www.atriskonline.com/mapping/
Airsnort wep cracker - http://airsnort.shmoo.com/
Airtouch wardriving kit - http://www.80211-planet.com/reviews/ST/article.php/1453641
Angry IP Scanner - http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/
dBm/dBW Calculator - http://www.bessernet.com/jobAids/dBmCalc/dBmCalc.html
Best War driving card - http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=501470
Access Point RF hacks - http://www.pasadena.net/aprf/
Home-made Helix antenna - http://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/
Kismet Sniffer - http://www.kismetwireless.net/index.shtml
Pringle Can antenna - http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
Power over ethernet - http://www.nycwireless.net/poe/
THC Wardrive - http://www.thc.org/releases.php?q=wardrive
WAP11 Hack - http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/Wap11Hack
WEP Crack - http://wepcrack.sourceforge.net/

Anyone else got any?

[xMerCLorDx]

well as far as antennas, pigtails, and connectors go. I've always shopped at http://www.fab-corp.com/ i bought about 14 total things from here and all of them were in excellent condition.

i'll look for more useful links

[rockbiter]

I would like to get into wardriving...what would be a good beginners setup?

[Prometheus]

Is war driving when you drive by looking for Wireless Access Points?

The point of this is what?

[Jason425]

to play with people's networks

[xMerCLorDx]

free internet, duh!

i'm connected just about everywhere i go.. on the way to school, at school, at home, going out to coffee..etc..

aren't there times where you need to grab a quick file or check out a site or something when you're bored?

[Jason425]

in montana, that's saying alot 8)

[xMerCLorDx]

i haven't changed my profile, anyway i live in south LA now.

[Prometheus]

oh i see

when ur driving tho isnt it hard to pay attention to both things

[xMerCLorDx]

most of my things automatically update and i check it while i'm waiting ( eating food, stopped at home, waiting parked..etc )

automatic operations:

email is received
road maps
real-time access point information
real-time & projected weather forecast

every time i start up it accesses my access point [if i'm at home] and sends/receives from my server the following:

receives:
"to car" songs + music vids
calander information, alerts and whatnot as a reminder.
configuration scripts
well-planned playlists

sends:
access point logs
gps information
songs i get elsewhere that i want to listen to at home.

while i'm driving its easy to access:

a shit load of songs

thats about it :) i'm not dickin around with everything while i'm driving. its normally me just hittin' the next button, but i do have playlists set up, so its pretty easy to avoid hitting any buttons at all....i'm not a dangerous driver!! *famous last words*.. seriously i am safe..besides, i drive a manual so i gotta pay attention :)

stuff when i'm not on the road driving, but in my car:

watching [music] videos
links to my ftp servers
ssh to my home computer, and hosting server for maintenance or whatever.
check forums
upload pictures
listen to more music..
instant message people.


i'm planning on getting a video camera soon so i can upload my video adventures / family trips and what not to my car-puter via firewire so i don't have to buy new tapes nearly as often.



more stuff than you might care about :D

[eviltechie]

hmm roadmap
thats nice

although can you make it almost like a GPS feature?

im wondering if anyone is developing a technology where a computer's location can be tracked by the access point

[xMerCLorDx]

well all a script would have to do is:

grab gps raw data from serial

and from the raw data you could take specific parts for latitude / longitude, city, state and host that with apache [ httpd ]


ya know.. with some easy php script..


not too hard, but then again it would only update when you get on an access point.

edit: oh nevermind... getting an external ip address at each access point would be ridiculous you couldn't track the "webserver/carputer".. plus you couldn't forward the ports to your internal ip :p i'm retarded...

but you could get it to upload the info to a 'static' ip [ like a hosted webserver somewhere ] whenever you connect to an access point.

[dilbert62]

I've read in this thread that many of you use random Access Points if they are not secured. This is NOT Wardriving! Wardriving is the searching for wireless networks by means of a roaming (driving, walking, busing?) wireless client. Sometimes accompanied by a high gain antenna and GPS.

Wardrivers do NOT access these networks. That is illegal in all 50 states. It's generally refered to as Electronic Trespass. You can be prosecuted!

Many would ask, if you're not getting access then why do you Wardrive?

The answer to that is simple. Most of us (wardrivers, stumblers, etc) are in technical professions. Many are in the Security field. We gather this information to:

- generate statistics
- promote awareness
- to educate (ourselves and others)
- as a hobby, similar to geocaching for example.

We DO NOT access these networks! If you go check out the Netstumbler forums at http://forums.netstumbler.com/ you'll see that, without exception, this is the understanding of what Wardriving truly is.

If you access these networks, you ARE breaking the law!

[DaClyde]

And accessing means actually connecting to it...i.e. getting and IP address and becoming a node of the network. Accessing doesn't necessarily mean trying to connect to an actual computer within that network. It's the actual act of intruding on that network that is the crime. So don't think that because"I just use the Internet" that you're not engaged in an illegal act.

If you don't have the explicit permission of the owner of the network, you are breaking the law.

[steve]

There are a lot of grey areas involved as well. For instance, Kismet, when enabled, will log raw packet data that is transmitted over wireless. This also includes becon frames, data, and regular network traffic (DHCP requests, router advertisements, etc), even if it originates from a wired node on that network. Not all AP's are switched and most will broadcast all data it receives from a wired source. This could be constituted as accessing a network. Also, Airsnort can crack WEP. If you do, even in your own network just for fun, you are breaking the law. Cracking an encryption scheme is illegal. Tools like Netstumbler are unable to do this (to my knowledge). As an avid wardriver/walker/boater, I can understand the temptation of messing with a network with a SSID of "F*** off Wardriver!!!!," or gaining free access to the internet. If you do, you are commiting a Class C Felony.

[_C0D3CR4ZY_]

True

[Dragon]

hey merc "car-puter" thats a good idea. could i buy a DVD reciever with dolby and dts encoder/decoder, then build something like a 1 GHz PC in my glove compartment and rig it up to the DVD player? the only problems i can think of would be like... big bumps.. and the power supply for the PC.. and maybe the size of my glove compartment.

[Prometheus]

holy **** this is an old thread?

[Dragon]

hell yeah it is, i think it was the fourth retrieved thread i posted on yesterday. but thats ok, ill pulled a few old ones up when i fisrt got here :-)

[F1a5hP01ntX]

yeah, you gotta watch out for him.... i am one of his friends.... that is, however, an awesome idea to put a computer into your glovebox, or at least rip your glovebox out and put it in it's place. size would be the major factor. i would recommend using a shuttle pc. :)

[Dragon]

wtf flash. did yuou look at who retriit? it wasnt me. of course i did pull one up from a few years ago the other day.... wanted to see if anyone would notice..

UPDATE: nope, no one noticed. or at least no one said anything yet, lol.

[F1a5hP01ntX]

wtf flash. did yuou look at who retriit? it wasnt me. of course i did pull one up from a few years ago the other day.... wanted to see if anyone would notice..

UPDATE: nope, no one noticed. or at least no one said anything yet, lol.

retriit? wtf.... are you inventing words? :confused:

[Dragon]

strategism

[retrieved it]

[F1a5hP01ntX]

there ya go... that actually makes some sense. i can finally figure out what you were talking about. :)

[Dragon]

oh this thread is so dead now.....

[F1a5hP01ntX]

yeah, i kinda noticed nobody but me and you posted in it anymore, but war driving is so cool.... even though i have never done it, it is awesome.... for that to even be possible, you have to be really uber1337.