View Full Version : Everybodys favorite car!!!
Well ive been into cars for a long time and know alot about them, performance wise....and i was just wondering what all cars computer dudes like and if they find cars interesting...so whats your favorite car?
-My preference.... :owell just take a look at a real car! SPAM:o
Grinnin Reaper
06-09-2002, 04:50 PM
My favorite car has always been a truck. SPAMSpent my whole driving life in trucks (except one bout with a 76 Chevy Nova.) SPAMI just like my 4-Wheel Drive V-8, mud sliggin, stump pulling trucks. SPAMAnd as long as I can I'll be driving one. SPAMSure you pass me in your sports car. SPAMBut when you pull in to a Gas Station I'll drive over you and your car. SPAM;D
An ole 50ties stepside with blazer drivechain and an Olds 451
maybe
-Savage-
ok, i can see where ur coming from, but would u take something like a Ford SVT Lightning?
Honestly I do not know how a Ford SVT Lightning looks
like, there is lots of nice fast cars Ferrari, BMW, Porshe
Toyota celica WTC , many of the WTC class are nice.
vee_ess
06-10-2002, 03:39 AM
the Ford Lightning is a high performance truck...
http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/images/gallery/02_Lightning_turn.jpg
For me, I really like two cars...the Jaguar XJ220S TWR as shown below, and the Volvo 850 series, especially special editions. We have one and it goes 0 - 60 in roughly 5 and we waste unsuspecting Vettes in this stock "family sedan". It's handling is beautiful too.
Grinnin Reaper
06-10-2002, 11:03 AM
The 4-wheel drive lightnings are nice (and yes they used to make them in 4-wheel drive, I'm not sure if they still do). SPAMBut I don't like 2-wheel drive trucks. SPAMJust defeats the purpose in my book. SPAMBut then again I live in the Mountains and have seen 3 and 4 feet of snow at one time. SPAMNothing moves much in that but at least in 2 to 3 feet of snow I'll be goin' somewhere while every one else is huddled 'round the fire.
wizbones
06-10-2002, 06:51 PM
I'm partial to what ever runs and get's me going to where I want SPAM;D
Now if I had a choice it would have to be a 58 Stingray or a T-Bucket
Now this is the MOTHER of all cars!!! SPAM 0-60 in 3.0 FLAT!!!
- 7 speed
- 650 bhp
- V-12
- 0-60 : 3.0 sec
- 0-100 : 6.3 sec (that beats most cars in 0-60!!!)
SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM !!!MY PERSONAL FAVORITE!!!
Mac_forever
06-13-2002, 12:48 AM
The F60 is a nice and fast car, but I can't get my hands on one of those. So a Mustang cobra will suffice for now.
Make sure that it is a Mustang Cobra R, $55,449!!! SPAMNot bad for a car that does 0-60 in 4.3!!! SPAMMight i ad a nice 385 hp V8, 4.6L ( although ford should have stayed w/ there nice 5.0's)
How about the ugly looking Doge Vipers ?
Saw them on TV yesterday racing in the GT class
700 horse powers and ugly SPAM;D
vee_ess
06-13-2002, 02:53 AM
Vipers are stupid...they just tried to put gobs and gobs of power by using a modified HD truck engine and puttin it into a car. Didn't work. Beats the Vette, sure, but I know of a "family sedan" that can beat the RT10's (0 - 60 in 4.8). The GTS and GTS R are faster than that @ 4.3, but they are trying to get around engineering. That is why a V8 (that's is less than half of the size of that 8L engine in the Viper) is placed in a well-engineered car, the Lotus Esprit (pronounced eh - spree, not e spirit), and kicks the crap out of any of the Vipers at the price of the RT10!!! And it is a whole lot more exotic too!!!
Ah, but would the poor man go after over priced exotic car or nicely tuned power machine, for much less! SPAMMan if u could tell me a "family seday" that could go 0-60 in less then 4.0 seconds , please tell me, cuz i will get my but up right now and go buy it!!! Well they aint that bad to tell ya the truth! SPAMNot bad at all! SPAMYeah i think that the new look for the snake car is pretty vicious too. SPAMBut it beats the pants off the older look, expecially the crappy '93. SPAMI certainly would take it, but a bit to pricey...heck what am i talking about pricey, im the one posting Ferraris everywhere!!! Also known as the "Hyper Viper" it comes w/ about 500 HP, its called the "Hyper"-Dodge Viper SRT-10.
This pretty car does 0-60 in 4.0 sec, comes w/ an 8.3L SPAMV-10, and nicely priced at around $73,000! clocked at over 195 mph, thats pretty good for a 70 grand car!!! Also, it did the 1/4 mile in 12 flat, not bad at all! SPAMBut it is a heavy 3400 lbs, so that would definantley put drag on it!!! There is also an 833 Viper out, but thats a review for another day!!! Well not to sound like a spokes person, but i kinda like the car, it gives Doge a whole new attitude! SPAM Tell me this aint a pretty car!
vee_ess
06-13-2002, 03:37 AM
Did you know that that Modena up in the first post had its aerodynamics actually designed by their F1 engineers? It has one of the lowest drag coefficients to date, only surpassed by a handful of cars, including the "banana car" which I believe was created in the 80's by either GM or Chrysler which was tied for first. And you guessed it, it was shaped like a banana.
rhinocerology
06-13-2002, 09:32 AM
How about the ugly looking Doge Vipers ?
Saw them on TV yesterday racing in the GT class
700 horse powers and ugly SPAM;D
Wtf are u talking about? the Dodge Viper is a beautiful machine sure the rt 10 is wrong (don't like convertables except for Honda S2000) u've got too be kidding me that u think it's ugly? U must be partially blind or something cause it's beautiful!!
Keefe
06-13-2002, 12:55 PM
Right here baby...
2002 Eclipse GT ST
If you guys wanna talk about convertables, refer to the first post of this thread...its cousin the F1 Spider is probably one of the best and fasted convertables on the planet! SPAMAlthough its priced at $229,000, i think that its worth it!! NoW ThAt Is A CoNvErTaBlE!!!
Propig
06-13-2002, 05:15 PM
I am in love
http://www.us.jaguar.com/Default.asp?Levels=2231
But .... I drive a truck - F150 SuperCrew. I make the boys heads turn as I go by. At first I thought it was me, but low and behold it was the truck.
Yeah im guessing that it is kinda both in that case! Im sure that that truck is pretty nice, i like them as well...but if ur into the XK versions of the pretty jags, might i suggest a pretty looking car...i think that u would like this as well...this XKR is almost identical to the XK8, but comes with much higher performance! SPAMTell me if u dont like this one....
vee_ess
06-14-2002, 12:13 AM
Yeah, the XK8 is a reincarnation of the legendary XKE, the E-type. The E-type is undisputedly the most beautiful car to ever be built. Here is a picture of one, but pictures don't do this car justice; if you get the opportunity to see one in real life, don't miss it, you won't regret.
Once again, I must say, pictures don't do this car justice.
Man i know exacly what ur talking about, this car sure does pack a good punch!! SPAMYeah the E-type is what really gave a good name to Jaguar! SPAMThis car may look like a toilet to and uneducated onlooker, but if u know my cars like me and apparenely vee_ess...u know that this car is a lion trapped inside a mouse's skin! SPAMI wouldnt mind taking this car for a spin! SPAMHeck i know that this car would easily take a '65 Stingray anytime, being the fasted car of its day, 1965 that is lol! SPAMHere's a lil bette pic of it...
Yes the E-type is a nice car also I remember some
nice Aston Martins forgot model names though.
Speaking of cars anybody here playing Re-Volt ?
Propig
06-14-2002, 07:53 AM
I love them!
Yeah ive played Re-Volt once for Dreamcast, that game was kinda addicting but kinda hard to work the car in the like the stunt course and stuff! SPAMBuy i think the Aston Martin that was trying to be reconize abouve would be the V12 Aston Martin Vanquish...oh yeah she's a beauty, most definetly! SPAM
-sorry for the big pic... :-/
Grinnin Reaper
06-14-2002, 02:58 PM
I'm impressed Propig. SPAMGotta love the Ford Trucks. SPAMWhere I live it ain't a matter of getting there fast it's a matter of getting there. SPAMBeauty lies in function. SPAM
Yes nice aston martin there soccer-stud.
Just got re-volt for pc a few weeks ago really fun
(on sale 5$ for the cd)
lots of sites with new cars and tracks
and one can alter the SPAM"physics" of the cars
more torque, more speed, weigght center of mass
springs, friction, etc... made my col. moss go really
well SPAM;D
rivergod
06-14-2002, 06:40 PM
http://www.rivergodsmods.com/files/logohum2a.gif
Now this is a vehicle. SPAMWhen I win the lotto, or patent Modnoobs voice chip, I'm gonna buy 3 so my friends can hang with me 4-wheelin. SPAMI will race anyone of you sumbitches too, only I pick the race course. ;D
The_Other_One
06-14-2002, 09:22 PM
76 Pontiac Catalina! SPAM:D (I'm trying to get 2 servers going at once, so the picture my not show up...)
http://64.53.95.207:30/darren/car/1s.jpg
Basically, my friend got this from someone who couldn't pay the loan off for it. SPAMThey took it for parts. SPAMAfter sitting in their back yard for about 3 years, I mentioned making driving it around their gokart track. SPAMSo after a little work(taking the doors off, removing the hood and trunk, and getting the engine running again) we where off. SPAM(Oh, I better mention, this is not my house. SPAMThe person in the car is my friends sister. SPAMAnd if you look at any of my other pictures, you'll probably see my friend and his brother.)
Now to be more serious, my favorite car would have to be a Jeep Cherokee. SPAMGreat onroad and offroad. SPAMWhats really fun is when someone in a "supped up" Civic wants infront of you, and you blow them away in a SUV SPAM;D SPAMBut why did they quit making the Cherokee and came out with that stupid Liberty? SPAMIt's pretty close to a Cherokee, but I hate the new body design...
Hey u can romp all over w/ that old hummer...but may i suggest i nicer upgraded version...if not, i will surely race you...i will even give u the full privelage of choosing the track as u requested! SPAMWhat would you say..
Rhinocerology wrote:
Wtf are u talking about? the Dodge Viper is a beautiful machine sure the rt 10 is wrong (don't like convertables except for Honda S2000) u've got too be kidding me that u think it's ugly? U must be partially blind or something cause it's beautiful!! SPAM
Well the ones I saw on the race were red and looked like
someone really fat had pushed down the car just in front
of windshield I do not know which year or model.
on the pictures you posted they certainly look better.
vee_ess
06-15-2002, 04:06 AM
Plus it's a matter of opinion. If someone doesn't like the looks of something, you can't control that. Get over it.
[hr]http://www.easternaerospace.com/automotive/engine/850_Racer.gif[hr]But there's no keeping up with this:
http://www.formula-one.cz/presskit_2002/mp4-17.jpg
And if anyone says we're off topic in the off topic "General" Board, here is Sun Microsystems directly on the McLaren Mercedes F1 car:
http://www.mclaren.co.uk/mclaren/sun/images/sunmcl_05_02.gif
And there's also Computer Associates on the side...They make Innoculate IT and McAfee and stuff. And a lot of software we've heard of.
rivergod
06-15-2002, 06:58 AM
Hey u can romp all over w/ that old hummer...but may i suggest i nicer upgraded version...if not, i will surely race you...i will even give u the full privelage of choosing the track as u requested! SPAMWhat would you say..
Very sweet looking civilized version. SPAMI'll still race ya. SPAM4-wheelin is more than just the vehicle, it takes guts, and the willingness to damage/destroy your vehicle and yourself. SPAMI haven't 4-wheeled in years, last time I stuck my jeep so well, SPAMwe thought a helicopter would be necessary to get us out. SPAM(the winch was under mud) SPAMMy buddy Don had to winch me out. :-[
Havn't done any SPAM4 wheeling, well once visiting Whasington state in winter time a 4 wheel bronco was stuck in a snowy
ditch I just got in and drow out of the ditch I guess my
experince with the snow in Sweden paid off.
I had a 58 chevy panelwagon with a straight longblock six
and granny gear while living in ca. got stuck on a sandy
beech following tracks from other truck (probably 4 wd)
but we gut out when my friend with dessert experience
remembered that one just have to let a lot of air out
of the tires, down to 6-10 psi and the wheels didn't dig down
any longer so SPAMI just drow out with no problem.
Sure you need determination and all of that to go 4 weelin', but this baby makes a Hummer look like a Yugo! SPAMNo comparisson, at all! SPAMI got all the determination right here, Grave Digger style!!! SPAMNow if anyone would love ot challenge me to a off-road race...be my guest...because off-road for this killer is like water for a fish...
Grinnin Reaper
06-15-2002, 10:13 PM
Determantion is great but you need knowledge. SPAM Bump that rear-steer in Grave digger and you be eatin' grass and lookin at the sky through your own butt-hole. SPAMI've even seen grave digger go rubber side up with a pro at the wheel. SPAMSkill my friend, skill will get you there and back. SPAMAnd when all else fail improvise. SPAMI've busted snow drifts deeper than my hood was tall but just standing on the throttle won't get you anywhere but deeper (under certain circumstances). SPAMI was muddin' once and hit a pit that had two sets of tracks. SPAMI got cocky and took the middle, one rut from each side. SPAMBig mistake, the center was solid. SPAMI went from 25 to 0 in 6 inches. SPAMEnded up finding two trees, jacking up the truck by the bumber (which was on the ground, solid center holding up truck with 4 tires hanging in mid air in the deep, deep ruts). SPAMShoving the trees under locking it in 4-low and holding it to the floor in reverse. One of the logs kicked up and ripped off a skid plate but I got out. SPAMEverything's diffrent snow ain't mud and sand is it's own ball of wax. SPAMBut if your comfortable in your rig you can fare well in all of it. SPAMHorsepower can get you there, but there can be 20 feet up a tree, over a cliff, under 10 feet of mud and water, or in a body cast. SPAMBe careful have fun and never spit in front of women or children.
Ah...but it has quadrasteer...four wheel steering so even if u were to bump me in the back ( anything smaller that a fellow moster truck would just get eaten alive!!!) I would still have the front to regain my balance! Besides when your in one of those mosters, you dont need to worry about anything getting in your way, i mean you got your 1200 hp to guide you so....there just to big, to powerfull, and to underestimated...
rivergod
06-16-2002, 07:38 AM
And they do'n fit under trees well. SPAMThe monster trucks do best in a stadium rolling over cars. SPAMToo tall, Too Top-heavy. SPAM I'll stay with the Hummer. (Although I do like your civilized version)
yeah it doesnt hafta fit under trees...just run the stupid things over...but yeah u could definetly get more out of a Hummer....driving and accesory wise..but power...uh uh! SPAMits all good though...
Have been driving som 4 wheel trucks now 900+ horse powers
;)
Well, I tried Leadfoot by Ratbag, pretty cool game SPAM;D
I take it that is for PC, have you tried Off Road Challenge, there is newer one out but not quite sure what its called...The best truck game ive ever played..real truck...real cool! SPAMTry it some time...is that what Lead Foot is like! SPAM
Propig
06-18-2002, 07:17 AM
Savage,
I used to live in a place that if you didn't just luv trucks, rods, beer and fish'n....
Well you just had to be one of "tem ter forn folks."
Besides I am the only girl in my family - right smack in the middle of the boys.
I take it that is for PC, have you tried Off Road Challenge, there is newer one out but not quite sure what its called...The best truck game ive ever played..real truck...real cool! SPAMTry it some time...is that what Lead Foot is like! SPAM
Lead foot is on track inside a stadium so it is a race not
any offroading SPAMwill try Off road challenge if I find a demo.
Grinnin Reaper
06-18-2002, 09:59 AM
propig, SPAMI still live there. SPAMBeer- it's not just for breakfast anymore- isn't just a phrase its a way of life for some. SPAMdo you off-road your truck? SPAMEvery buried it?
Propig
06-18-2002, 12:24 PM
No. Just hauling stuff right now. She's only 1 1/2 and I am not ready to get her dirty yet. That and I don't have time lately for doing stuff like that. When I am not at work, I am too tired to do much of anything else.
Yeah those ford trucks are my personal favorites! SPAMBest selling truck for 25 years and running! SPAMI wouldnt mind it if you could possible send some pics of your beauty truck! SPAMI love those trucks and have models of them....so if u could...post some pics, Propig...and j/w how did u come up w/ your name....
Propig
06-19-2002, 02:01 PM
When I was in school one of my projects was to create a company profile, business plan, etc. for an internet provider service.
I wanted the to name the company Professional Internet Group. When I went to check the domain name registrations, that name was already taken. Everyone in my class was a real cut up, including the instructor - I was a little on the quite side. One night my instructor said "You should learn a lesson from our Professional Pig and get to work!" So that is where I got my name.
By the way -All the business plans were graded by somebody that was actually an Internet Service Provider! I was the only one in the class to get an A.
I will see if I can get some pics.
yeah...i kinda had a hunch that "pig" stood for something with the prefix pro before it! SPAMcool! SPAMYeaht thx for the response and putting effort into trying to get the pics, but its ok if u cant get em'
vee_ess
06-22-2002, 06:33 PM
yeah, we might wanna make a "Where did your screenname come from" thread cuz those are always sorta fun to see why peeps name themselves the way they do.
yeah, i have a ford truck too. but its a ranger. we got it cuz we can use it as a utility vehicle and it gets 26 mpg
That is darn good for a truck...none the less! SPAMHow heavy is it though...what it lacks in wieght, to gains in milegs so it seams! SPAMYeah that thread sounds good to me as well...hey vee_ess, do u mind if i start that thread...sounds good...or if not you can start it..i just wanna post in it! SPAM;D
Grinnin Reaper
06-22-2002, 09:09 PM
My Ford gets 15 with a 302 but I've had it up to 100 mph. SPAMNot bad for a 4x4 I think. SPAMIt's even pulled 2 tons of stuff plus from Georgia to West Virginia. SPAMI Love my Fords. SPAMI've even pulled logs with one of my other Fords. SPAMChevy's are okay but Fords will take a lot of abuse.
H*ll yeah! SPAMThose trucks are the best...im not sure if anyone else has seen this commercial but i saw it on TV a couple of times and the creator of this one is a genius: SPAMWell there is a Ford F-350 and and Chevy 2500 and both of them have boats that they are backing up into the lake. SPAMThe Chevy goes first and is pulled into the water because the boat was too much for it to handel, so the ppl in the truck start to worry. SPAMThen the guy w/ the Ford gets in his truck and says something like " oh great " and takes his truck and tows the Chevy out of the water and the boat that went w/ it as well. SPAMSo the ppl that owned the Chevy said "man that sure sank" and the Ford guy said "yup...like a rock!" SPAM- SPAMFunny sh*t cuz Chevys motto is "Like a Rock"
Grinnin Reaper
06-24-2002, 10:03 AM
You mean Garage Man's Companion. SPAMThe old one's are great but I don't like the new ones. SPAMI've worked on to many vehicles to care for the new features/bugs. SPAMEverything you add is something else that can break.
yeah GMC's arent that bad but when it came down to my favorite ill have to stay with the long lasting dependible ford...becuase there "ford tough" j/k! SPAMactually i really like the overall look of the trucks as well as the imense power that is associated with all there truck...the F-series goes all the way from F-150 to F-750!!! thats pretty crazy, but i think that the F550-F750 are stricly used for commercial and industrial use only.
You mean Garage Man's Companion. SPAMThe old one's are great but I don't like the new ones. SPAMI've worked on to many vehicles to care for the new features/bugs. SPAMEverything you add is something else that can break.
Yeah !
I was thinking of the olden ones like the sixties SPAM:)
Sort of an improved chevy truck better rear axle and such.
If ya wanna go back to the sixties im sure that the car featured in this post if common amongst most of us here..yep im talking about the sweet, sexy Elenore!!! SPAMA 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500!!! This Fast and the Furious rocket car was obvioulsy the show's main attraction!!! SPAMJust take a look for your self!
http://www.mohoc.com/cars/1967%20GT%20500%20Shelby%20Mustang%202.jpg
rivergod
06-30-2002, 12:08 PM
That is a sweet one Soccer Stud. ;D
oh yes! SPAMbut that is not the ultimate mustang, of course it was back in its day..and it didnt looks as pretty as that..because that is off "Gone in Sixty-Seconds", but the pony still had power! SPAMNow a days the king of the hill for the Mustang industry would have to be the Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R. SPAM<uuuggghhh><drool> SPAMMan this car is sweet...for $55,320! SPAM5.0L V-8, 385 HP! 0-6 in 3.9! SPAMYeah i will eat a vette, and will prove a worthy challenge by a second or two for the Z06! SPAMCheck it out!
vee_ess
06-30-2002, 04:04 PM
Yeah, but I would rather the GT500, much more enjoyment. And it is way more valuable too. That is the king of the stang hill in my book.
rivergod
06-30-2002, 06:11 PM
Well, back to the outrageous. SPAMWe found this in Orlando Fla. SPAMMy nephew is on the far left, his buddies are there for scale. SPAMIts called Bigfoot:
http://www.rivergodsmods.com/files/Bigfoot_500.jpg
yeah thats a pretty big rig u got there...but when push comes to shove, u just cant beat proffesional inovation and master engineering of top grade, high quality, high performace road vehicles. SPAMYes im talking about the true kings of the road...true engineership comes straight from the mind and not the look...and you know when a car is down right lame when their company advertises them because "they looks extreme" or "u cant get this color in any car"...lame....embarrasing...ugly
The_Other_One
07-02-2002, 12:00 AM
Hehe...got a new favorite "car"(still think my jeep is the best truck/SUV) SPAMBut today, I was given a ride in a Road Runner, 440ci engine with a 6 pack, ran on only 100 octain fuel racing fuel, practically no mufflers, pistal grip shifer(no performace increase, just cool 8) ) . SPAMThe thing had been completely restored, with the origanal horn, purple paint, and road runner pin-stripe... SPAMMan...we got on the highway, he'd get it to 4th gear(I'm guessing it's a 5 speed...) SPAMNo matter how fast we were going(I cant say because he broke the speedo at 130 SPAM:D ) SPAMI was always planted in my seat when he stomped it. SPAMThe thing was amazing...
He also had a 92 Shelby Mustang, bored/strocked, with a blower and illegal exaust system. SPAMThat thing would move, but still nothing compaired to that Road Runner!
I'll try and get some photos of the cars soon...I'm sure he wont mind showing them off some more...
vee_ess
07-02-2002, 02:41 AM
I know the feeling. I love it. Now I'm addicted. But I won't drive it. I am scared to hurt it.
sounds like anxiety to me vee_ess..haha..i think that there is a prescription for that kinda phobia i believe...and i doubt that you will hurt it if you trust it and like Ellenore...she trust you. Treat it well and it will treat you well... be one with the car! SPAMhaha! SPAM
vee_ess
07-02-2002, 03:02 AM
Yeah, well, in the movie I believe you are reffering to, "Gone in Sixty Seconds" (one of the greatest to ever be made), that car didn't let you have trust because everytime you boost it, it gives ya trouble...Now the car named Hillary in there, the XJ220, now thats a car. (not like the GT500 aint)
i agree thoroughly..unargueablly the best car in that entire movie...and then the GT500 comes in an extremely close second..but the XJ220 has it by performance and value..but lacks in style..but it is still a darn pretty car...take a look-see
ok so i added the chick in there to give the look a boost....
vee_ess
07-02-2002, 04:22 AM
..but the XJ220 has it by performance and value..but lacks in style..
Not liking the looks is one thing, that is your personal opinion, but saying it lacks in style...
http://www.jaguar.com/uk/sja/xj220.jpg
I mean, come on...
http://www.redline.co.zw/images/Supercars/Jaguar/1_twr_jaguar_xj220_s_14.jp
g
And don't forget those amazing stats...For example, it pushes out 200+HP/L. I believe it is the highest of any street car. The XJ220 is a whole different class from the GT500, but don't get me wrong, the GT500 is one of my faves.
yes i can see where your comming from, vee_ess, but u do know that this car is a few years old..i think that it is time for a face lift...but the TWR..now that is much prettier that the standard XJ 220..the front w/ the headlights make it look a lot nicer and the higher spoiler give it the more sleeker looks it deserves...but this is predominantly one of the best cars ever mad on earth...and i feel that it will be a while until a company decides to prove then wrong..but that XJ 220 TWR...yeah its stylin'...but stylin just cant compare to to the overwhelming power that this car posseses as well.
Uranium-235
07-03-2002, 12:02 AM
My Aries K...133734 then all
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~extreme/images/aries2.jpg
The_Other_One
07-03-2002, 08:13 PM
Oh...so we're showing off our cars now? ;D SPAMHeres the most recent picture of my Cherokee, except it's after my accident. SPAMYou can see how my rear bumper is hanging down... SPAMMaybe I can get a picture of it now, after all the repairs have been done.
http://64.53.95.207:30/darren/Jeep/SideS.jpg
http://64.53.95.207:30/darren/Jeep/Rear.jpg
I have to show the bulk of the damage from the accident. SPAMI like showing it off because the guy who hit me is at fault, and all the damages, he had to pay for(which include my car, his car, and my friends car that I slid into...)
I gotta say, NES_Master....looks like you've really taken care of your jeep by the look of it...the suv is it near perfect condition other than the bumper (but that isnt your fault). SPAM I just wish that more people would take care of their cars like you havd displayed...Uranium-235's car looks in perfect condition as well...you both have displayed your selves worthy of owning and taking care of your cars and suvs...well done SPAM;)
Uranium-235
07-04-2002, 12:19 AM
LOL I've barely taken care of it. I havent even had it long. It cost $1200 and cost so much cause the body was in such good condition
The_Other_One
07-04-2002, 12:48 AM
Thanks for the complements, but you should of seen the jeep when I got it. SPAMThe outside looked alright, but the inside... SPAMBIG rip in the seat, 3 cracks in the dash, and was really dirty... SPAMAfter that was all cleaned up and repaired, I started having some engine problem. SPAMTurns out, the previous owners hadn't changed the oil for over 70,000 miles :o. SPAMSo the valve stem seals had basically rotted away, letting oil in the engine! SPAMAfter having the engine cleaned out, everything has been perfect! SPAMI don't even burn hardly any oil, and that is VERY uncommon for the 4.0L engine... ;D
im not sure what kinda car i should get..obviously one that will fit my budget...and when i get it...im gonna make it look all nice and customize it and most of all MOD IT!!!!!!!!!! SPAMI cant wait...its gonna be nice!!! SPAM
Uranium-235
07-04-2002, 01:50 AM
how much do you have?
well i need to get a job first and then i can start on the touching up...engine enhanchments, interior redesigning, exterior looks, and just makin it overall pleasing to the eye! SPAMBut most of all..power..ill have to save awhile before i can put anything into the car...whatever that might be..but whatever it is..i know for sure it aint gonna be not civic!!!
vee_ess
07-04-2002, 03:02 AM
Yeah, I can't stand Civics. Well souped-up ones at least.
When souping up cars though, the engine is unfortuneatly the most expensive one to enhance. It is sure worth it. I am looking for a job too - can't live without a good car. I will only buy comp parts after I got me my dressed up Euro.
yes i agree...sorry guys...but cars then comps....i am probably obsessed with cars as much as you guys are about computers...and belive me...both sides can have there advantages and disadvantages...but definately more advantages then disadvantages! SPAMBut computers i think you can do alot more with..but cars you can have more fun with..but that is TOTALLY my opinion and i think that both of the two things are the greatest things that god has ever created!!!
Grinnin Reaper
07-04-2002, 06:31 AM
I don't like cars. SPAMI'm a truck freak. SPAMWhen I get some money I'm gonna lift my truck about 4 inches and install some 33" tires (I gotta catch up with my wife's truck). SPAMThen maybe do some mild engine mods. SPAMWife says she'll do a custom paint job on it also. SPAMI can't wait ;D.
The_Other_One
07-04-2002, 09:42 AM
Civics! SPAMHehe...don't get a Civic unless you plan to spend $1000s on it(building it up). SPAMNo kidding, I beat them all the time in my Jeep. SPAM ;D
And yet i still stand there in amazement in wondering why the Honda Civic is America's #1 top stolen car in the country????? SPAMI just dont get it..the only thing that i can imagine having the cars stolen would have to be....IGNORANCE!!!! SPAMThen again...my motto is "Ignorace is the number one seller!"
I know its not common to bring up old threads, but with all this convo...it lead me to another question...which movie did u guys like better, Gone in 60 Seconds or The Fast and the Furious? State why u chose that as well, if u could...
vee_ess
09-01-2002, 02:32 PM
Actually Ilike both of them about the same. From an enthusiast's view, I would have to go with GISS, but they didn't show the cars enough.
Omega
09-01-2002, 10:00 PM
While I liked them both a fair amount, I'm going to have to lean towards Fast and the Furious. I'm not entirely sure what about it makes me go for it more than Gone in Sixty Seconds, though.
In GISS it seems like they didn't really focus all that much on the cars, as they did on the people and the task. In FATF they also did more high-speed stuff than GISS. They seemed to have more high-tech gizmos in FATF too, like the onboard car statistics monitors, etc.
Ah yes...the onboard car statistical laptop reading system (lol, nice name huh?) caught my eye quite well when he pulled that up in his Eclipse. I also liked Vin Diesle's stereo system configuration...omg, that was so beautiful. I would have to say that I can not make up my mind for the best car. There is a tie between Dom's red RX-7, and the orange Supra. I'd have to say that the best race was between the Supra and the black Ferrari 355.
eviltechie
09-01-2002, 11:13 PM
i like Gone in 60 Secs better
more mature and more laughable
i like the cars in gone in 60 secs better since its more street legal
64' Shelby Mustang GT50 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
eviltechie
09-01-2002, 11:20 PM
oh and more stunts
not just about speed
its about pure driving skills
have u guys checked out http://www.bmwfilms.com yet?
its one gotta see site and my fav movie so far is the ROCK STAR and the diamond dealer one
btw they are giving away a M5
too bad im canadian
those bastards just wont give us a chance! :mad:
Ah yes. By far, the highlight of that movie was the '67 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500. The other two highlights of that movie had to have been the Ferrari 360 Modena and the Jaguar XJ220....can't you just feel the love?
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 12:00 AM
i believe it was the marreleno
with the vent on the hood
wait...
let me check my divx...
:nod: uh huh... uh huh... uh huh... :nod:
yup
silver 575M Maranello
weird they changed to 575
it used to be 550 in 2002
http://www.ferrari.com/ferrari/images/550_maranello/210x130/photo_threequarter.jpg
BEAUUUUUUUUUUUUUTIFUL!
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 12:04 AM
btw
i dont like XJ220 so much
i think even the 360 Modena's manual steering is easier to handle than electronic power steering of XJ220
Ah, but the overall concept of the 2 vehicles is pure shocking. You figure, the 360 Modena would kill that 67' GT500 with easy, and the XJ200 would eat the 360 Modena alive. The XJ200 was one of the most supreme vehicles every created on the street leagal market. Sure that Shelby is a facinatingly sweet piece of eye candy, but is not to be competed against the daddies of the show (XJ220 and 360 Modena)
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 01:22 AM
yes 360 with its mid-engine chasis design just makes handly easier
how about XJ200 though?
where is the engine located?
rear?
Actually...both are rear-engine machines...both are greatly admired by me in mand different ways...
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 01:27 PM
no man
modena is mid engine
just like the porsche boxter
it seems like rear but they say its mid
http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/360info.html
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/360.html
both say its mid
even my friend who used to paint for ferrari says its mid
man, i miss Yan, he went back to France now
he is one crazy guy i tell ya, drives 80km/h on a 50km/h road
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 01:30 PM
ooo, ooo, found something on XJ220
http://wwwstud.fh-zwickau.de/~ao/jaguar_xj220/jaguar_xj220.htm
mid-engine also
i miss those good ol's Maclaren F1 GT
fastest GT car...
Oh yeah...sorry bout that, i meant rear power distribution. And yes, that McLaren F1 GT ('97) is a pretty nice car...in 0-60, it is equally matched with the XJ220S TWR ('94)...at 3.3 seconds, however, the Ferrari F60 ('02) does 0-60 in a mear 3.1...nice vehicle, and aproximately the price of a McLaren F1, but out of those 3, i would have to take the TWR mearly because it is nearly half the price of the other 2 competors and is just as fast, mechanically and physically.
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 06:59 PM
i still like maclaren
fastest
300km/h
ONE PIECE carbon fibre body
ooooooooooo
if u see one on the street with drool marks all over it, it means i have saw that car before
haha, so u got the TWR by 2 MPH!!!! (man i love car convo's aint they the best) keep the talkin coming evil techie! i see you are as interested in cars as me and vee_ess!
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 07:39 PM
actualy
what i meant is 300 km/h with no problems
the car can go up to 241 mph which is 387.769km/h
if u dont believe so, check this video that i digged out from my hard drive
http://www.courtfourwinds.com/Dougy/Mclaren_F1_world_record_run_of_241_mph.mpeg
thats the world record of McLaren F1's bullet speed of 241mph
eviltechie
09-02-2002, 07:44 PM
i dont think the jag can catch up to that prey
or has the jag become the hunted?
lol
F60 sure looks great with its swing up doors
heh
F1 nosecone style
oooooooooooooo
vee_ess
09-02-2002, 10:12 PM
Acceleration-wise, the TWR has all of them. They have gotten it 0-60 in 2.9 (Fastest of any stock car). It has really good acceleration the whole way up though, and it has the best handling. For me, I don't care about the last few miles an hour on the straigt-aways, because I'll smoke you on the corners http://216.40.241.68/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif.
Yes, that is true vee_ess, the TWR would kill that McLaren at cornering, and yes, it does have a faster accelleration rate. Which reminds me of yet another excellent traction controlled vehicle, probalby one of the best, the Bugatti EB110 GT. With its AWD, 611 bhp, and only being 44 inches of the ground with rack and pinion steering...you could take alot of cars in cornering with this car...
eviltechie
09-03-2002, 01:16 AM
hehe
what is TWR short for?
master
09-03-2002, 05:23 AM
:mad: What is going on this car enzo....i tell you this car is not F60 is a preconcept....F60 appear in 2007 and the performance is much betterthan f50 and this fake F60...enzo.....one question what is happened F70....which will be the performance????[/img]
The Ferrari F60's are already out and on the road buddy, as of this month. And true, the F60 is not the Enzo, the Enzo is simply a fake...off of the F60. Im not sure if Ferrari even plans to come out with the F70, which will be in about 4 years, if they do. Oh, and Evil Techie, ill check up on what TWR stands for...
eviltechie
09-07-2002, 12:57 PM
that is a concept sketch
Enzo IS F60!
http://carpoint.msn.com/advice/articles/preview2003/page2.asp#ferrari
Uncoolpunker
09-20-2002, 07:28 PM
THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD = JEEPTRUCK V8!!!!!!!!!
CiKoTiC
09-20-2002, 09:35 PM
http://www.lynchhummer.com/Image.Maps/yellow.h2.map.jpg
eviltechie
09-20-2002, 09:44 PM
Hummer H2 is OK
it really is made for civilians this time and the infra-red camera add on for the roof rack makes it really weird yet futuristic looking
saw 2 in the Pacific Light Truck and Auto Show in April and saw a black one on the streets in Seattle when i visited there...
friggin rich asses...
vee_ess
09-20-2002, 10:27 PM
I've seen a few in the prestigous parts of Phoenix...They're the ugliest things I've seen since the last PT Cruiser I've seen. They're performance is supposed to be weak compared to previous generations. I'd dress up an older Hummer instead. They can look pretty mean...
To me those H2's look like something you'd find in a HotWheels set or something...a lil to futuristic and "attraction" to keep that ol solid rugged attitude the old hummers had...id have to go with vee_ess on this one...
eviltechie
09-21-2002, 02:19 PM
its all personal preferences
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09-22-2002, 12:57 AM
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eviltechie
09-22-2002, 01:55 AM
im wondering what if you have a K&N filter in a sucky Ford Escort 98' Wagon LE, how much would it increse its performance?
whats O2?
accurateimage
09-22-2002, 10:40 PM
Well anytime you increase airflow to an engine it will help your revs and top end but can actually hurt your bottom end if it is natually asperated. If it is a drop in filter then you would be fine and you would probably gain around 5-6hp on that car. Also an 02 sensors is a sensor that is in your exhaust pipe close to the header. It reads the air fuel ratio and sends a signal to your engines computer to up the mixture ot decrease it. Changing out an old o2 sensor can have a great affect on gas milage and power.
Well ET, If your talkin about K&N Air Filters..they'll run ya about $50 or so..and will increase your car's performance ~10%. I'm planin on buy myself one for my accord as well. O2 is NOS, I belive, right AI?
accurateimage
09-22-2002, 10:47 PM
Oh no, O2 is an oxygen sensor, but I do carry various nos kits, but I am not a fan of them, I prefere turbocharging or supercharging, or just a plain built engine. Also K&N filters vary from $25-$100, and I also carry the intakes, FIPK's ect... Basically everything K&N makes.
Omega
09-22-2002, 11:00 PM
Eviltechie: What infra red camera add-on? I looked all over the Hummer web site, and found nothing.
I do like the look of H1 better than H2, though. Watch some of the videos for H1...it's crazy stuff.
accurateimage
09-22-2002, 11:11 PM
The h2 is a rip off *LOL* it is a suped up tahoe.
eviltechie
09-22-2002, 11:19 PM
oh yeah how the H1 overcomes some long ridges and shit...
and its amazing auto inflation tires...
took this pic at the Pacific Auto and Light Truck Show april this year
sorry the pic is a bit fuzy, the old camera is a bit screwed
(over exposure)
AI: Ah, I dont kow what I was thinking with the NOS and stuff...but yeah, you guys carrying K&N Filters and other accessories for your car is always a plus. I also agree with the whole supercharge it and upgrade it other than NOS....its more fun, and more "i did it my self" type of deal
eviltechie
09-22-2002, 11:28 PM
whats the use of Nitro???
i disagree very much with street racing
if you like speed and show off, get on a track with safety features
dont do it on the road and kill ppl
just in September, about 4 people were killed in different street racing accidents in Vancouver, BC Canada
one of them is a police officer driving his Ford Crown Victoria Cruiser
5 star side impact rating, yet, smashed right through by a honda civic driving 180km/h on a street...
sad really...
and parents should be responsible for their children's actions
dont just give them a car and dont care about what they do with it, it is parents' responsibilities to prevent them making fatal mistakes
Yeah, that is true...but like there are designated and securitized places, like Race Wars in FATF that are around...but true, street racing is kinda dumb if ya ask me..saftey wise...
accurateimage
09-22-2002, 11:43 PM
Yeah right on, but as for evil nos is great on the track if you can afford pistons and head gaskets every 5,000 miles depending on shot *LOL* I personally do not and will not use nos in any of my cars and no I do not fully support street racing.
eviltechie
09-22-2002, 11:50 PM
HEAR HEAR!
:iex: --> anti street racing!
In my opinion, this is all you really need in life, family, food, chix, cars, and computers!! I guess it is just the shear urge and adrenilen that comes with street racing, but it is still no where near wasting a precious life. Hey AI, what is your exaust systems running for? perspectives price vs. performance?
accurateimage
09-22-2002, 11:54 PM
Depends on the car, I usually have them custome made, I do not do the kit crap with grapefruit launchers on the back, I do the real deal and have my cars registered out of town so I do not have to pass emmisions hehe
eviltechie
09-22-2002, 11:59 PM
this reminds me of my friend putting his silincer on before emission test
and he drilled 1 hole in the exhaust pipe so he could past the emission test
lol...
also he clearcoated his licence plate so the cameras cant take pics of it for tickets
each year, he gets about $3000 CAD worth of speeding tickets...
his wife is quite mad at him
evildre
09-24-2002, 08:42 AM
Yeah ... I don't like the H2. It's a "kindler, gentler" H1. The last thing I need around here is a bunch of hippie soccer moms driving H2s around. It's bad enough they all drive Ford Expeditions (which I also hate) ...
Oh yeah, I didn't mention my favorite car. I like my own car quite a lot ... 2002 Toyota Solara SE, with the 4-banger. Looks nice, gets me from Point A to Point B, and doesn't use nearly half as much gas as my old 1988 Cadillac Sedan deVille :D I didn't buy it for racing, so don't even try to encourage me to "mod" it. If I wanted to race, I'd have bought a Turbo Minivan :D
Silverwings
10-08-2002, 01:55 AM
My favorite car:
1965 Shelby Mustang
1970 Shelby Mustang
1969 and 70 Boss Mustangs
All cars I have owned over the years.
And last but not least the one I own at this time
Black Chrysler 300 M (modifyed of course)
eviltechie
10-08-2002, 01:59 AM
GT500???
what year is the 300M?
Speaking of street racing..
have you heard of "air-baging"
an expensive "sport" like playing chicken
but you are supposed to hit
and be saved by your air bag
I bet that gets the adrinalin pumping.
Propig
10-08-2002, 11:42 AM
Is it true that Dodge brought back their Hemi and put it in their truck!?!
eviltechie
10-08-2002, 12:49 PM
have you heard of "air-baging"
an expensive "sport" like playing chicken
but you are supposed to hit
and be saved by your air bag
LOL!!
air-baging sounds more like suiciding
CiKoTiC
10-08-2002, 01:57 PM
Is it true that Dodge brought back their Hemi and put it in their truck!?!
Yup, 5.7-liter HEMI Magnum V8
have you heard of "air-baging"
an expensive "sport" like playing chicken
but you are supposed to hit
and be saved by your air bag
LOL!!
air-baging sounds more like suiciding
Well I guess it excist in an episode of Inspector Rex (a clever german shepard) the plot was that a guy had tampered with the airbag
to kill a person making it look like an accident
while they were doing their favorit sport airbaging.
eviltechie
10-08-2002, 05:32 PM
eh?
not a sport i like to be a part of... :P
well one really have to trust the airbag
and use old cheap cars I guess.
I wouldn't try though.
eviltechie
10-08-2002, 06:01 PM
lol
what if the windshield shatters and a piece fly into your skull??
how is the airbag suppose to stop that?
One could do it without windshield and do other precautions
to avoid sharp stuff.
Grinnin Reaper
10-10-2002, 08:42 AM
You want to know the truth. A windshield can't "shatter" Only side and rear glass. Windshields are made of laminated glass so they spiderweb. For the most part a windshield will stay intact only fracture. Side glass can basically explode into small fragements. I studied that in auto-extracation class (cutting accident victims from cars with the "Jaws-of-Life") when I first became a fire fighter. And trust me I've seen enough car wrecks to know that that is the way it happens. Luckily I haven't had to see anyone "airbaging" yet. I just hope if they do that they use trees, boulders, and Mountain sides. If your going to be stupid don't take other people with you.
eviltechie
10-10-2002, 03:14 PM
lol
they spiderweb when hit with low momentum for eg. even at a high speed, a small rock is still ok
but ive seen a 92' camaro crashed, totaled the front, windshield broke into pieces
not small pieces but rather large pieces and about 10 of them
and even tempered glass can be broken with a heavy mass of object at high velocity
Im guessing Grin was talking about the majority of car wrecks do the winsheilds spiderweb. Of course the glass will shatter when a front is totalled, that is the whole point of saying it was totalled, lol.
eviltechie
10-11-2002, 11:17 PM
well when 2 cars playing chicken and rams each other heads on, it is natural that both fronts will be totalled...
:shake: tsk tsk tsk... still not something i would like to do or even see...
That is true, I would not like to see that either. There's one rule that I like to keep in the back of my head, "No matter if your the smartest and best driver in the world, you could always get hit because of that certain stupid driver out there....they are everywhere..."
vee_ess
10-12-2002, 03:17 AM
They use safety glass in windshields which have certain plastic elements so that the edges are rarely ever sharp. It can sometimes be sharp so don't test it!
Grinnin Reaper
10-12-2002, 05:49 AM
What I was saying is it won't shatter as in explode and send a rain of small pieces down on everyone. If you hit it hard enough the large chunks will seperate. But it won't fragment into chuncks like tempered glass will. I've pulled out mutliple victims from accidents ranging from 80 to 120 mph at time of impact. Never seen a windshield not stay mostly intact, cracked to beat all hell, sections found elsewhere, but largely intact. Tempered glass like side and rear glass your lucky to find any chuncks over an inch or two big.
eviltechie
10-12-2002, 11:04 AM
it is nevertheless still dangerous and should not be done
i dont know what is with those ppl who do street racing and stuff
there have been too many people killed by street racing in Vancouver
Grinnin Reaper
10-12-2002, 04:32 PM
I didn't know street racing was so big up there. I hate scrapping up people that was doing something stupid, but on the other side of the coin I was never accused of being a completly law abiding citizen. Like I said in my first reply it's a shame people would do something like this. I just got off on a tangent. Sorry. My mind wanders. If some of these people had to pull some corpses out of cars maybe they would thing twice about this crap. Especially if it was some people they knew. Unfortunately they don't care and it's the family that was in the wrong place at the wrong time that also pays the price for the other people's ingnorance.
eviltechie
10-12-2002, 04:45 PM
road rage is insane too
last week, a 49 years old woman in Burnaby, near vancouver got into some disputes with another car with 4 men in it
she then started writting the licenses plate down on a paper then the 4 men walked out and beated her up in broad day light and tried to throw her into the trunk
thankfully she managed to escape...
also last week, one mini van with the driver of a mom carrying her son were the victoms of a roadrage also
the roadrager smashed the window of driver's side with a iron bar and left
RCMP has been investigating such cases and more for a long time now, but there is almost no way to stop it from happening again
this society is really messed up
Yah....u also have to keep in mind that drugs and alcohol play major factors in these crazed drivers...its not just the ppl, but in a way it is the ppl for being that frickin stupid for doin the stuff in the first place before they have to drive...its a shame...
Grinnin Reaper
10-12-2002, 05:09 PM
I don't see much road rage in West Virginia but in New Jersey and New York city I did a lot. But that's they way it is up there. Poeple need to chill out a bit. Everyone is gettin in too much of a hurry and everyone acts so stressed (I do to once in awhile). Problem is I don't see it gettin' better any time soon.
eviltechie
10-16-2002, 12:11 AM
just an update...
with my concerns going over drive...
especialy with the discussions on here
im joining my school's Counter-Attack Club
yup
anti drink and drive
anti street racing
and all that...
im really fed up with these East Indians, Japanese, Chinese, Cantonese, Taiwanese racing on the streets
im a chinese too (taiwanese to be precise)
i have to encourage these ppl and let them know that driving is like running with a knife on your hand
...or...if your a well trained, obidiant driver...it could be like running in a big pillow...where you cannot get hurt...you have to remeber, there are way more non-accidents, then there are accidents...i feel that rush when im on the street, but all the smarter drivers will find some way of talking themselves out of that rage...i do...even if i cant drive yet...
Mac_forever
10-16-2002, 11:51 PM
Even if you are calm most of the time, there is always the chance that you will become enraged after someone cut you off etc. It is sad that people need to die because of some hotshot thinking that he/she rules the streets. What is really surprising is that most of these incidents of road rage came to be from small things.
Soccer_stud of course you a rush when going fast in a car, but just remember that speed might get you in trouble.
http://smilies.uniquehardware.co.uk/otn/funny/fruit.gif http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/drowned/iroc-dragster.gifhttp://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/drowned/iroc-cop.gifMe? Loving cars? Going fast? Me?
Mac_forever
10-19-2002, 12:34 AM
You are an angel, right? You will never go above the speed limit. Yeah right. Who doesn't go at least 5mph above the limit? But going like 50 in a 30-35 mph zone is just plain stupid.
eviltechie
10-19-2002, 01:49 AM
Mac, dont descriminate others...
majority of the drivers (65%) go about 5-10km/h over speed limit in vancouver
cops start giving tickets when you go over 10 km/h
we do MPH down here...so anything over 10 mph will catch a cop's eye for sure...but i wouldnt know... ;)
eviltechie
10-19-2002, 03:17 PM
5 mph over is what police in washington state are aiming for...
Well that sux for all the exotic, muscle, and sport car drivers out there...heh
eviltechie
10-19-2002, 07:50 PM
it means the streets are safer for people to walk on
...that's what sidewalks were made for...
eviltechie
10-20-2002, 12:21 AM
today's news
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021019/wwell191002/Front/homeBN/breakingnews
Jonathan Kaufman, 17, Jordan Haag, 16, and a 16-year-old girl — all from Welland — were killed when a late-model red Monte Carlo swerved out of control, jumped onto the sidewalk and crashed into the group before slamming into a tree.
Still, more accidents happen via ppl walkin in the street then on sidewalks, or else they wouldnt have made them in the first place
Mac_forever
10-20-2002, 12:54 AM
If you are thinking about the safety of pedestrians then sure cops will be looking to get you if you going faster than the speed limit. But if you are driving a fast car on the freeway, by all means go as fast as you want.
I think Montana doesn't even have a speed limit.
Yeah, i think ur right because it has something to do w/ all their open land or whatnot, heck, im moving there!
eviltechie
10-20-2002, 01:52 AM
this is very very wrong...
if you are driving on autobahn
go ahead
that highway with its density of traffic is suited for free speed
but normal highway isnt
ss, you dont even drive a car
when you do, seriously, you will be scared...
because of all the factors you have to watch out for
driving is like walking with a double sided knife in your hand
in a building, there are rules and people dont run
now if 10% of the people starts running with the knife
some one will get killed eventually
and including the driver too will eventually be killed
Who says i dont drive? And from what ive heard, and yeah, its alot, driving isnt as hard as stated above. Sure it has its precautions, what doesnt? I know that when driving, yoru driving a 1 ton wrecking ball, but at the same time , you could be driving a 1 ton safely driven carpool. ET, there is nothing wrong with the basic fact of driving, it is the carlessness that is out there that is "very very wrong".
eviltechie
10-20-2002, 04:54 PM
sometimes even when you put all your attention on driving
accidents can still not be avoided
that is a proven fact
and its not only one person that is speeding in an area, there might be 2 or more
and rate of accidents is obviously higher
I know and no matter how good of a driver you are, its always the other dumbass who ends up hitting you....i hate that
eviltechie
10-20-2002, 09:04 PM
also cars are not perfect machines
Mac_forever
10-21-2002, 12:44 AM
Soccer_Stud and eviltechie, both have good comments. A couple months ago I was driving on an Aterial Street and I was at an intersection and the light turned yellow. I couldn't stop so I keep going. There was a car making a left turn and didn't stop. I had to go around that car cuz it already started to turn. He must have been in a hurry cuz he thought I was going to stop. I was about a foot away from having an accident. He should have stopped and looked to see what I was going to do.
You can be the best driver and still get impatient idiots on the street waiting to cause an accident.
When I drove a cab in Berkeley I had an incidenet "like" above
at least once a day (8 hrs/day driving) there are many careless drivers out there.
I saw a TV program about train crasches with cars and trucks
so many ppeople trying to "beat" the train running under gates
etc.
The force of the train hitting car was compared
with beer can hit by car !
A train going 5 mph sweeps an 18 wheeler away
like nothing.
eviltechie
10-21-2002, 05:51 PM
that kind of yellow light incident happens often too
and juts with me on saturday
i had to keep going because i was over the "line of no return"
but this car was making a left turn on the opposite side came too
it was close...
people should be more careful when they make left turns when they cant see as oncoming cars block the view
hebert
10-22-2002, 07:54 AM
I like the viper or the prowler
Ugh man, viper? and prowler?!? We got Ford Taurus's out there that can take prowlers man...they are way over prices and have crappy @$$ engines...the only decent viper out there is the Venom 800...for the most part...man, luckily u joined this thread, ull get and idea of some real cars!
sloppyjoec
03-30-2003, 01:38 AM
Mine has got to be the 64 65 66 buick wildcat convertable, there is somthing about a barge like that that can still get up and go!
My favorite is my 1991 Spirit R/T. There is something about a DOHC intercooled 4 cylander that gets me off.... or maybe its stomping on mustangs and camaros... not sure
:lol: "With all this hardware underhood the R/T was certainly a surprise at the stoplights. Weighing in at just over 3150 pounds, the R/T could scorch from 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds. The quarter mile flashed by in 14.5 seconds at 97 mph; top speed was 141. This performance gave Dodge some impressive bragging rights! " Sound's like a real Stang killer...hahahaha, not. Gotta admit...its a hella 4 banger...but if it wasn't for that Turbo III the car would have no balls at all...yeah...this car could take a stock factory no addons 14,000 dollar mustang or camaro, but the beating stops there...and that's only by a couple of tenths of a seconds mind you. Heh..
GLAD TO SEE THIS THREAD UP AND RUNNING AGAIN< MAKES MIK3 VERY HAPPY!
Try 224 HP from the factory along with another 75-100 in computer and exhaust.
You add it up. :) Yes I OC my car.
Try 224 HP from the factory along with another 75-100 in computer and exhaust.
You add it up. :) Yes I OC my car.
Haha...the only way I'd believe that is w/ some statistics man, like make of exhaustand computer enhancements. That is increasing the hp by a lil less than half of the total in your case man, you know that right?
Ah, but would the poor man go after over priced exotic car or nicely tuned power machine, for much less! SPAMMan if u could tell me a "family seday" that could go 0-60 in less then 4.0 seconds , please tell me, cuz i will get my but up right now and go buy it!!! Well they aint that bad to tell ya the truth! SPAMNot bad at all! SPAMYeah i think that the new look for the snake car is pretty vicious too. SPAMBut it beats the pants off the older look, expecially the crappy '93. SPAMI certainly would take it, but a bit to pricey...heck what am i talking about pricey, im the one posting Ferraris everywhere!!! Also known as the "Hyper Viper" it comes w/ about 500 HP, its called the "Hyper"-Dodge Viper SRT-10.
This pretty car does 0-60 in 4.0 sec, comes w/ an 8.3L SPAMV-10, and nicely priced at around $73,000! clocked at over 195 mph, thats pretty good for a 70 grand car!!! Also, it did the 1/4 mile in 12 flat, not bad at all! SPAMBut it is a heavy 3400 lbs, so that would definantley put drag on it!!! There is also an 833 Viper out, but thats a review for another day!!! Well not to sound like a spokes person, but i kinda like the car, it gives Doge a whole new attitude! SPAM Tell me this aint a pretty car!
Did you know that that Modena up in the first post had its aerodynamics actually designed by their F1 engineers? It has one of the lowest drag coefficients to date, only surpassed by a handful of cars, including the "banana car" which I believe was created in the 80's by either GM or Chrysler which was tied for first. And you guessed it, it was shaped like a banana. :( :o :/ :confused: 8) :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :shake: :wavey: >:) :mad: :P :blush: :cry: :nod: :D
Wtf? Does anyone still moderate these boards? This above nonsense is uncalled for...
Jason425
11-16-2003, 11:00 AM
big time WORD to that.. :/
Warrior`oc.to
11-16-2003, 12:17 PM
hehe
Mitsubishi evo 7, a subaru imprezza, or a friggin buggati (ya pay 1000¤ per horse power if ya buy a bugati and that thing has a friggin amount of horse power !)
Heh. Let's bring this bitching thread back, I say. Heh. There are a lot of newbs here that haven't experienced TWL's best thread, so why not I say. Any newbs have good cars they want to share with us? Post your own car if you want to.
vee_ess
01-18-2004, 02:51 AM
Yeah, thats what I've been saying. Since a lack of car talk there has been a lack of talk in general. Cars are everything. And everything boils down to cars!
Word and then some man. Haha. Cars rule this General Board, this Web, and this World.
Jason425
01-18-2004, 10:59 AM
uh huh... :/
Well i have an '88 olds cutlais calais limited "usa" edition.. got it for $750 from some guy my grandpa knows.. pretty much nothing worked when i got it.. now only the horn and power locks don't work and that's because some fuse keeps blowing .. Turns out the previous owner was a retard and had like 90% of the car on the same circuit.. 20 amps or whatever. So when i got my new radio (kenwood kdc-122) they just put the radio on the ignition fuse instead cuz the other one kept blowing.. I've got a black stripe down the middle of the hood and i've got a spoiler on the back (with some solar panel.. dunno wtf it does?) It runs pretty well most of the time.. Only trouble i had with it running was when i put in fuel injector cleaner.. ran like crap for that day.. but it's fine now! 8) Don't have pics or i'd put it up
vee_ess
01-18-2004, 05:25 PM
Thats a pretty good deal for a reliable car. I came across a web page for a vendor-sponsored car that has some good videos. Here's the link. (http://titanmotorsports.com/900160mph.html) It seems to be a pretty nice peice of machinery!
Heh. That is a neat website.
Aemon_
02-26-2004, 09:53 AM
well, trucks are allowed no?
my S-10 went away, now i have a '99 Silverado 1500 LS.
so goes bye-bye my dream of swapping my 4.3L from the S-10 into a 240Z. :(
eviltechie
02-26-2004, 12:51 PM
lol how is S10 going to handle that much power?
has anyone seen the new 2005 mustang that is coming out soon?
i actually like the look of it
Aemon_
02-26-2004, 01:24 PM
what are you talking about? the 4.3L out of an S-10 is a stinkin strong little motor. especially the older 4.3s, they are basically a chevy 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. most 350 parts will fit on the 4.3. nice little motor. i'm sorry to see it go
edit: oh yeah, an S-10 can handle much more power than the 4.3, the 350 swap is very common.
Grinnin Reaper
02-26-2004, 04:44 PM
put if you do it right you have to beef up other things as well trust me, I use to drive an S-10. You can put in a 350 but you will break something.
The 05' Mustangs aren't bad really. Let's just hope Ford Motor Company doesn't get overboard with this new introduction, and get full of themselves. I think the new Mustang will be very very prosperous for the FMC.
Aemon_
02-26-2004, 05:23 PM
of course you do reaper. most of the guys who do the350 swap put alot of money into their transmissions and rear ends too. a good many put ford 9in. rear ends on them.
but it still can take it.
but i was saying before was putting the 4.3 out of the S-10 into a Datsun 240z
Grinnin Reaper
02-26-2004, 06:22 PM
that would be cool, the 4.3 was a good engine, beat the hell outta the 2.8 I had in my S-10, and it was easier to work on too, at least for some things.
vee_ess
02-28-2004, 02:31 PM
The 4.3L engines were supposed to last a long time, too, for American engines at least. I like Ford better though. Of all the big automotive powers, they are the only ones that don't ruin the car companies they buy, they keep them going the same way just use their technologies in Ford's own products.
Aemon_
02-28-2004, 07:02 PM
lol how is S10 going to handle that much power?
i just realized what you said. the 4.3L is a stock S-10 engine (thats how it handles that much power, it is stock). i was saying transplant the 4.3 to a 240z. now, the 240z is the original iteration of the Z car line. so the 4.3 would be much more powerful than the stock 4 cylinder out of it. i have even seen 350s swapped into 240Zs.
vee_ess
03-03-2004, 09:06 PM
Those can be quick cars. Real quick.
vee_ess
06-06-2004, 12:35 AM
Tell me this didn't die again.
Jason425
06-06-2004, 12:52 PM
*hopes it stays dead* ;)
vee_ess
06-06-2004, 03:26 PM
Cars are everything! What's a forum without a little bit of car talk. If you really must, talk about computers and cars together, like Dash PC (http://www.dashpc.com/) or something. ECU talk would be interesting I think.
Jason425
06-06-2004, 11:22 PM
the only cool thing where cars and comps collide are hybrids.. hybrids = god...
gnogtr
06-06-2004, 11:27 PM
Well, I have 2 years of college left, and when I get out, I'm getting a Z66 Chevy Avalanche. I love their body style...Is it a truck or is it a SUV?!? We may never know...But right now I have a 1992 C1500 Sport with a 350.
vee_ess
06-07-2004, 03:15 AM
The 350's are nice engines (even though they are Chevy's :P). A friend of mine has a 72 Custom with one in it and it moves pretty decently I have to say. I don't really like hybrids but that's because I sort of feel the idea was stolen from me... When GM came out with the EV1, I said why not put a gas generator on the car because it can only go 80 miles on a charge, to which my dad responded, you may as well have the engine running the vehicle. Then I rebuttled with saying yeah but you could use all the power you are wasting in idle and stuff so it will still be more efficient. I just needed to vent. You can believe me or you can think I'm full of it, I don't really care, but it's true that did happen (this talk was actually spurred because at the time my dad had put the car into neutral to use less gas than letting the engine slow the car down as we went up the off ramp).
Glad to see this thread is back up and running. Heh. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is with Hybrids...
It'll be near hell in gas prices before we see an increase in sales of these things. And an even longer time than that to see any performance come out of them...
Although a genius idea, I'm not too down with it. Taking away from a vehicles power to preserve the O-zone, I'd much rather walk...
Jason425
06-18-2004, 11:18 PM
they are selling like hot cakes.. and gas prices are near hell..
and they have plenty of performance
lol. Plenty of performance? What hybrids are we exactly talking about, and how much performance? lol
vee_ess
06-19-2004, 02:25 AM
Stop, please stop. My 4 cylinder Ranger has more power, not to mention better handling. I love my Ranger :)!
Than what? You can't compare your Ranger to nothing...
Wait a sec...now I see why it has better handeling and more power...haha...comparing it to nothing, tricky guy....
vee_ess
06-19-2004, 02:57 AM
Oh, now it's on... You and me race tonight! And we turn too! Oh, I forgot... yours can't turn right now!
lol. Racing I don't have to worry about, lol. Nor do I when turning's in. You'll roll way before I even bring a wheel off the ground. It's definitley on.
vee_ess
06-19-2004, 03:05 AM
Ha, I got you there... We're even in acceleration, and as for turning, I'll drift long before I roll; I don't have good enough (sticky enough) tires to roll! Let's see you drift!
Let's see you keep up with me while your tires are "drifting" and I'm already done with the turn...heh...then we'll talk
vee_ess
06-19-2004, 03:22 AM
You know what then? I'll just jump the curbs and all... Who needs roads after all?
Yeah. Who needs to stick to the track when racing?...I dunno what I was thinking...
Jason425
03-08-2005, 11:23 PM
Yea.. so I think i'll bring this pos back from the dead just so vee has something to do...
I don't tend to think about those exotic cars... not very realistic..
In the real world, I like the mezda3 (all versions), honda insight (teehee!), and uh... yea.. The 3 is cool... if only it got a few more mpg and was a few g's cheaper!!!
http://ca.geocities.com/cplaht/105_0517resized.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/658000-658999/658341_13_full.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjE5OTcyNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
The 3 is my baby!!!!
Aemon_
03-09-2005, 09:18 AM
mik3, what kind of car do you drive again?
um, there are offroad races (WRC), so technically you don't have to stick to the track while racing :)
later
midimoose
03-09-2005, 10:35 AM
If we are talking dream car then ferrari enzo, an aston db9, Porsche Carrera GT, or the Mercedes SLR (the nuts fast one not the crappy one you see hairdressers drive). or a bit cheaper a lotus exige.
if we are talking sane then the latest bishi evo which can keep up with a Lamborghini Murcielago or even cheaper that mazda rx8 with the rotary motor with no pistons that generates a hell of a lot of bhp from a 1litre + engine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog8/lotuslada.shtml <or this
and nothing american they are just stupid huge engine huge cars i prefer something more refined.
Jason425
03-09-2005, 02:49 PM
hey I drive an american car right now!!! (88 olds cutlass calais) .. does mazda count as american because it's made by ford?
Aemon_
03-09-2005, 02:52 PM
yeah, i was about to say that mazda might as well be called american now.
so american cars are nothing but huge engine cars? yeah, my L4 saturn is not huge, and its american. its anti-huge, it makes like 110hp. thats a monster there.
later
vee_ess
03-09-2005, 07:48 PM
if we are talking sane then the latest bishi evo which can keep up with a Lamborghini Murcielago
...
and nothing american they are just stupid huge engine huge cars i prefer something more refined.
Yeah, the Evo will almost stay with a Murcielago, but only til 60mph, after which the Murcielago will show the power of brute force. Let handling into the picture, and you'll show the disparity between leagues.
Also, American cars, with the exception of Chrysler (they still have a number of larger engines), have dropped dramatically in engine size. This is mainly due to the fact that American car factories were remodeled to reflect Japanese factories in the late eighties and early nineties. This has dramatically increased the reliability of Americans, with the exception of Chryslers, of course.
Tyler
03-12-2005, 04:46 PM
I may have already mentioned it already but my favorite car has to be the Nissan Skyline, particularly the R34 but all R32's and up are really really nice. I saw a 1990 R32 GTR yesterday in my city, which is sweet because I've never seen a Skyline in person before because they are just starting to show up in Canada, reason being you can't have them here unless they are 15 years old or older so just now are we seeing the R32's roaming the streets and oh baby! *breathe* The Subaru Impreza WRX STi rocks my socks too. Anyway, I'm done. :biggrin:
midimoose
03-12-2005, 10:07 PM
Mazda may have been bought by ford but it doesnt mean americans design the cars they just back it, I'm pretty sure the japs still design them.
vee_ess wrote
Let handling into the picture, and you'll show the disparity between leagues.
....er no way i've seen an Evo VIII FQ400 been driven by a fat middleaged motor journalist keep up (and not almost nearly overtake) with a Lamborghini Murcielago driven by a professional race driver round a race circuit and the evo kept up and was better through the corners and it was a road evo not a rally evo. Unless you meant let the handling of the evo into the picture?
and Tyler skylines rock i've heard the crazy japs got one up to 1000hp.
Not to sound like I've got a thing for evo's but the Evo VIII is faster than the The Subaru Impreza WRX STi and the tires squeal like a girl on the Subaru, and evo's look better.
midimoose
03-12-2005, 10:15 PM
I forgot one more car I'd like the Atom its got a supercharged Honda engine develops 300bhp, but the car only weighs 500kg and that means it equals 600bhp per tonne (that's more than a Ferrari Enzo). It also does 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds, as long as you can change gear quick enough.
It's only £20,000 but its a bit like a motorbike, with four wheels, no windscreen no cd player and you can see the road beneath you but who cares 0-60 in 2.9 secs for £20,000!!!!!
Marix-FNW
03-18-2005, 03:22 PM
The Maxda RX-8 is a sick car, in my opinion. approximatly 75lb engine that produces around 250hp, whats not to like? And with only one moving part in the engine (The free floating rotor) they are quite quiet.
StinkyMojo
03-18-2005, 03:30 PM
I don't really like the enzo.. esp new new imported ones.. i just think they should use more than a 190hp celica engine.
Jason425
03-18-2005, 05:53 PM
1.5L 4 banger that's in the scion xa and the echo = leet! :D
vee_ess
03-24-2005, 08:51 PM
Stinky, I am not sure where you heard the Enzo has a 190HP Toyota engine, but I'd sure like to see that source.
One car that really hands it to the Evo 8, STi, and other higher performance Japs is the VX 220 and the VXR 220. I sure hope they send those across the Atlantic!
I don't really like the enzo.. esp new new imported ones.. i just think they should use more than a 190hp celica engine.
Please, please tell me that wasn't just read.
I think that alone is the reason I will never bring up another thread relating to cars in a tech forum again :nod:
I'm not sure which "new imported" ones you are talking about, but to the best of my knowledge, there is only one type of Ferrari Enzo. No...that can't be the same 660bhp 485ft/lbs tq V12 that I'm talking about. But I mean, the day you get a stock celica doing 11 second quarter miles and 3.3 second 0-60mph run times, you report back to me, and see if I believe ya. :wavey: Heh...this car almost has as much bhp per in one if its six liters as an entire celica. Impressive, I think so.
cherrypie
03-29-2005, 10:29 AM
I don't really like the enzo.. esp new new imported ones.. i just think they should use more than a 190hp celica engine.
ya uhm what year supposedly has a celica engine?
could you show us a site with those specs?
you have me *curious* now :o :confused: :nod:
StinkyMojo
03-29-2005, 02:31 PM
I read it an a Consumer Reports Magazine from their New Car Issue. They did a quick rundown of a ton of cars. It was at the dentists office a couple weeks ago, I was just as surprised as you guys. It was the most recent New Car, I dont remember the month, shoulndt be more than 2 months ago. Keep in mind this is the Imported version of the enzo and they are very limited according to Consumer Reports. They also said that 190hp engine fit nicely in the ultra light enzo. I tried lookign at consumerreports.com for that issue but y ou have to be a subscriber :rolleyes:
midimoose
03-29-2005, 03:18 PM
HAHAHAHA :rofl: an enzo with 190 hp i don't think ferrari would allow that even if they were imports!
Imagine their reputation for making the finest sports cars in the world years of heritage would be in tatters and you would think that they would use a ferrari engine not a toyota if they were going to put in a 190 hp engine.
Are you sure it said enzo and not some other random korean car? If it is enzo they are lying and you should never believe them ever again.
Has anyone mention the Mclaren F1 I know its a bit of a dream car (only 100 made and 25 are race spec, but the enzo must be preettyhard to get hold of) but 240mph and 200 mph in only 28 seconds woo!
StinkyMojo
03-29-2005, 03:51 PM
yeah i was thinking, whats the point? Its like having an m1 abrahms running off of a mini cooper's engine.
Jason425
03-29-2005, 06:58 PM
dude mini coopers fricken own.. well.. I wouldn't mind trying one out... ;)
cherrypie
03-30-2005, 12:27 PM
I read it an a Consumer Reports Magazine from their New Car Issue. They did a quick rundown of a ton of cars. It was at the dentists office a couple weeks ago, I was just as surprised as you guys. It was the most recent New Car, I dont remember the month, shoulndt be more than 2 months ago. Keep in mind this is the Imported version of the enzo and they are very limited according to Consumer Reports. They also said that 190hp engine fit nicely in the ultra light enzo. I tried lookign at consumerreports.com for that issue but y ou have to be a subscriber :rolleyes:
*COUGH* Full of it *COUGH*
i call BS..... heh
Can't imagine a Ferrari using a cheap toyota motor :P
(no offence to those who like toyota but toyota isn't exactly high end)
StinkyMojo
03-30-2005, 04:23 PM
My bad.. found out it was an Elise, not an enzo. But it still is rather odd...
Jason425
03-30-2005, 06:05 PM
teehee!
lotus elise's are sick... I want one... as long as I don't have to put myself permenantly in debt to get and own it...
cherrypie
03-31-2005, 09:45 AM
My bad.. found out it was an Elise, not an enzo. But it still is rather odd...
ya..... that is quite odd.... :/
StinkyMojo
03-31-2005, 10:10 AM
Yeah, here is just one of many places to go for more info
The 2ZZ-GE engine used in Elise is borrowed from the Celica GT-S, and it shares the same 6-speed manual transmission and gear ratios as the top Celica model.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/engine/toyota.html
and apparantly this isn't a new thing they have been doing, that article is over a year old. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
midimoose
03-31-2005, 06:22 PM
The thing with cars like the elise and the mini cooper is its not about the engine its about the handling, my mate used to have a cooper and it was like riding round in a super gokart it was really cool but cramped (im 6,2) anyway the exige is like a super version of the elize
vee_ess
04-03-2005, 10:36 AM
The Exige is definately a nice version of the Elise. The Elise has always used Jap engines under the hood, the creators (mainly, it was the son of the creator of the Esprit) wanted to focus on making an exceptional track car. Hence why people always complain about the ride quality and comfort of the Elise. Their base Elise uses a Yamaha block. Either way the Vauxhall VXR-220 (http://www.fast-autos.net/vauxhall/vauxhallvxr220.html) (which happens to have been co-designed by the Elise design crew) is a better overall car and kills all the Japs, even the R34.
midimoose
04-03-2005, 01:26 PM
Doubt it would beat an exige s2 (in fact i know it wouldnt iv seen the track results to prove it) the exige is built with the philosophy that its a race car for the road, although the VXR is a fast car.
And I don't think the normal VX 220 is better than the normal elise.
And theres one problem with the vauxhall, its a vauxhall, it maybe a good car but it got a vauxhall badge on the front which to me screams that its a bad car even tho its an ok car but a lotus badge says racing heritage.
Vauxhall are famed for having the handling qualities of bricks, my friend Phil a rally driver and rally mechanic dispises them.
vee_ess
04-04-2005, 12:23 PM
Lotus is definately more for the collectors. The point however, is that for $40k USD, both the Lotus and Vauxhall will give you track level handling, but the Lotus will not be even close in acceleration or top speed. You'll need to go with the highest level Elise Sport or Exige to hit the 12 second quarters, which will top $100k. If money's not a factor, then of course the Lotus is the better choice. A Lotus is a Lotus, and right now, other than about 4 or 5 supercars, all at least $300k or more, there's nothing that will handle better on the street. Of course, in 2008, there'll likely be nothing short of an F1 car to compete with the new Esprit.
midimoose
04-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Suppose youve got a point if were talking value vauxhall then, How much is the vxr 220 i thought that was the super version of the vx 220?
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