The post above as guest is mine, I wasn't logged in but thought I was.

first of all
i have not used the word you to represent a person for a country

a healthy debate should not be generalized and a greater whole should not be represented by just direct speech and point and speak

second of all
it is my opinion that the Bush administration has kept up the war in Aghanistan instead of a short attack is to raise his rating

when Bush first became the president of America, half of the people in USA did not agree with Bush and think that he stole the election.
with the war on terrorism and the patriatism along comes the whole country of USA backing the government up
rating has gone up to more than 80% for Bush

thirdly
no one says terrorism is good
it is wrong but evil has its root and its reasons
it is their form of revenge and i believe no one here including me approves of these horroble actions

yes, lets cover all the aspects
US has intervened politics in the Middle East and around the world because it has to and it is the most powerful nation in the world currently
and the Arabs (not Saudi Arabians but arabs in origin) have been under the power of European colonization since long ago and has been trying to copy the western civilization for years
for what?
for achieving to be a nation as powerful and strong and proud as USA
they have failed and failed and they are still poor
so people like Usama decided to unite the arabs (himself for one) to fight against US

the arabs have been under the power of USA, Europe and depended on them for years
that is why there are organizations calls war on US through terrorism

yes, Saddam wants to take over Kuwait for the oil deposits there

perhaps we should see what UN finds first before start saying and criticism on Canada is really unnecessary
we are a peace loving country and we support the UN in anyway we can and we fight side by side with the US
we sent troops to Aghanistan
and we get troops bombed by US fighters in return
how ironic
not many people like the government in canada, our politics is as dynamic as the US
we are polite because we want peace
peace by means of not bombing or shooting missiles on inocent civilian homes and pill manufactoring plants

and what does this have anything to do with thanksgiving
it just happened that you replied in this thread on the weekend of thanksgiving
that doesnt mean this topic is designated to be debated purposely on a thanksgiving occasion

Saddam is a threat to the US, yes and to the rest of the world as well
weapons they have may not just effect a city but it can be in a large scale

i am not criticising the people of USA
nor USA it self
i am criticising the governments which is dark and is backed up with propagandas that is filled with conpiracies

You are very indecisive and inconsistent in your beliefs, in your 3rd post you said this:
Quote"monkey boy G.W. Bush only know how to fight...

we all know Iraq doesnt have nuclear warheads
nor does it make a big threat on USA
only on Isarael " Unquote.
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Now in your 4th post you said this :
Quote " i do not think Iraq posses an immediate and direct threat to the USA itself " Unquote.
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Now in your last post above you say this :
Quote " Saddam is a threat to the US, yes and to the rest of the world as well" Unquote.
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Dude, make up your mind, is he a threat to the US and world at large or not ! Those statements sure are confusing to us poor walmart shoppers !

What ! you didn't even mention the link I provided exposing more erosion of you basic freedoms ! What to hell does it take to make you speak out against the erosion of your freedoms by your own Gov ? Are you afraid of being arrested ? Were you taught in school not to criticize your own Gov and elected officials but it's open season on other countries ?

Do you like being compared to Red China and Iraq in your restriction of freedoms ? You had mentioned both before I posted.
I told you what it had to do with your Thanksgiving, and elucidated it very well.

Appears to me you and Bear would make a nice pair of " Matched Bookends ". You read without understanding, hear without listening, and speak inconsistently.
But you never , never , never see the faults of your own country.

i critisize Canada
i have too much to say about the government especialy the Liberal government of BC that is running by Gordon Campbell whom i have alot to disagree with
but it is something foreigners need to know what exactly is going on before understanding so i did not post them here

do i must say here that i hate it in order to hate it?

Saddam is a threat to the US, but not directly
and Isarael is part of the "rest of the world" when USA is the subject

i read the article
not much to say about because it is irrelevant with middle east
you simply threw that into the debate to defend USA when no one is criticising the citizens of USA

i am trying to have a debate here without directly saying to the other debater's face
i bring out my points of view to the audience of the debate
not to argue with the debaters
debaters hold their own thoughts and need to speak with a neutral observer inorder to make the debate healthy and meaningful

please refrain from using "you" and keep on attacking me
i was only telling my friend's theory which people may not like but may be very true
also i am making sense out of why 9/11 happened and what is going on around the world

also i have never mentioned regarding freedom compared to china and Iraq
and i repeat myself, this topic isnt designated to be debated purposely on a thanksgiving occasion

As far as the "spy plane" (that cracked me up on the news an EP-3 is not a spy plane) that China forced down last year, that plane has a specialized mission. The U-2 does a terrific job at what it's designed for but the EP-3 is a completly diffrent animal in form, function, and mission. And econimically speaking I can see what you say about India, China, and Russia. but I do not agree with, just because they both detest America doesn't me they get along by default. Only one class of people do I know that feel that way and that is the Arabic culture. In Arabic culture many feel that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Few other cultures I'm aware of share that theroy. Russia and China may share secrets but I doubt it's from a common hatred of America. And as far as the money goes many countries have borrowed money from America, few if any have repayed it.

As far as President Bush furthering the conflict to gain popularity I don't see that. I truley believe he's doing what he feels is right. A fair amount of American't don't fully agree with him and if action is taken I fear he will lose popularity. But I feel it is neccessary. I've talked to many people and some truely understand the implications of the proposed action but not many. Many just fear it because they don't fully understand. If Saddam is a threat, only not an immediate threat, why should we wait? When would be a good time? Does anyone truley believe the east and west will someday get along and Saddam will just be happy with that? And more importantly what if we're all wrong. What if he is setting on a nuke right now. Survillance and intelligance can only go so far. Only one man knows exactley what he has and his intent with it. Should we allow him the time to put himself in a better postion? He's had 11 years. 3 of which there has been no inspections. In that time he has proven he has chemical and biological, because he has used them on his own people. Do you really think he would hesitate to use them on the people he hates the worst? He's just waiting for a good time to do it. Will it harm US relations with the middle east? Probably. But your harming relations with a group of people that con't even get along with themselves. Many wars have desimated that area, mostly over terroritorial dissputes. Many people in that culture look for and thrive on bloodshed, not all, but many. Few cultures still have such a war-like mentallity. They continually look for and perpetuate conflict amonst themselves, if they can have a common enemy they will join forces and work together for a while but later they go back to fight amoungst themselves. We can only walk on our toes so long. Eventually you have to step on someone else's toes. Espically if it means safe guarding your on life.

Yeah! I made it, I am still here! I am not sure that is a good thing though. Now we are all wondering when the next round is going to be. I heard Sun, Motorola, Delta, Qwest are all laying off thousands of people.

And they say there is nothing wrong with the economy :shake:

Yhea I've heard that. It's gettin' crazy. Glad to hear you've still got a job though. Congrat's.