And that does nothing to say how hydrogen can help.
Well, it does go to credit what I said about fossil fuels (I know I said natural gas, I meant fossil fuels, I'm fixing that in my previous post after I finish here).

You know J, I think you're trying to win an argument you're just going to lose. I like you, but you're way to closed minded. Hydrogen will produce wastes just like fossile fuels, and that's not going to help the polution problem. Oh, and a bit of info straight from my Environmental class, your state (OR) uses the most water on a daily basis, more than California! That's pretty insane, of course most of it's industrial use, but everybody's part of the problem, and that doesn't exempt you even though you think it does ;) .

:lol: i'm from WA! hahhahaha.. but yea.. I can't just give up!

The technology to build cheap environment friendly automobiles has been around for decades. Methanol for example. It's cheaper, burns clean, and current automobiles are easily converted to use it.

What you have to ask yourself is not who will benefit, but who will it hurt? And the answer it Oil companies. The Oil industry pumps hundreds of millions of dollars stamping out these technologies because their entire industry would crash. They give millions to political parties to ensure that neither the Democrats or Republicans even mention alternative fuel sources. In addition, it could mean thousands of jobs and who wants to be the president that causes that?

What it's going to take is for someone to start an entirely new automobile manufacturing business based on alternative fuel. But that would cost billions and who wants to spend that? Or, a gradual switch from oil to alternatives over a long period of time to give the oil industry time to adjust.

The answer is easy, implimenting the solution is not.

Whoops, I thought you were from OR. Well, in that case, Washington uses the same amount of water as California, a state that is more than twice WA's size! Amazing, but no, you're still not exempt. You drive a car just like everybody else here, so you're part of the problem ;) .

but I don't drive a big honking truck or SUV! I try!

Cik's absolutely right again. Methanol and Alcohol are easily among the best solutions right now. All the downsides they have are lesser than with gasoline and most other fossil fuels, and a very minimal amount of changes are required to make gasoline based vehicles compatible (maily fuel delivery and computer components).

About hydrogen causing its own forms of pollution, you're right gnogtr. I just want to note that it doesn't replace fossil fuel's pollutions, because it doesn't eliminate them. For the most part, you're still using natural gas to get the hydrogen from, but now you are also using coal for electricity to extract the hydrogen, using even more fossil fuel than if you were to just use gasoline. That's why I've seen some experts suggesting that hydrogen might actually increase pollution emissions. Hydrogen's just a battery.
An evil battery.

I dont understand :confused:

Hyrdrogen would only have water as a byproduct. Its basic algebra.

Water + Electricity = Hydrogen

yea but he's saying that we get electricity from coal... screw coal! Solar and hydro baby!