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Omega 06-01-2008 09:45 PM

Have you given Linux a try lately?
 
The title pretty much says it all. TechwareLabs has featured a couple articles lately about Linux, so I'm curious about how many of you have done your geek duty and given Linux a try lately.

So ... have you tried it? If so, what flavor did you try, and how did it go? If not, why not? Are there any "show-stopper" issues keeping you from using it full time? Are you using it full time?

cablehiccups 06-02-2008 11:30 AM

Tried Ubuntu a few times, but always have problems with my wireless networking properties. Never quite works as smoothly as it should!

Millwright 06-02-2008 11:53 AM

I tried all the major versions, but on older slow computers.
Seem to me to get the most out of linux, you need a fairly new/powerful computer, just like windows

Omega 06-02-2008 12:03 PM

I first gave Linux a try in 2002, when I set up a spare machine for the express purpose of messing around to learn. I tried getting a desktop environment running on Debian (potato), and after pulling an all-nighter only to get to a grey screen with an 'X' for a cursor, I gave up on that approach. I subsequently gave Mandrake (now known as Mandriva) a try, and was immensely impressed with the ease of installation. Ironically, I didn't even end up using the desktop environment much at all, but started poking around with apache, proFTP, samba, etc., and learning how to run a Linux server.

A couple years later, I took the plunge and replaced my GUI Mandriva install with a Debian Woody non-GUI install, for the role of a home server. The install went fine, and I promptly understood all the hype about apt. I started to feel confident enough to recommend Linux for some in-house servers at work, where I got my first experience configuring and compiling a kernel, falling in love with apache2 (compard to 1.3), and hosting email and DNS.

I'd poked around knoppix a few times in the early-to-mid 00's, but had pretty much made up my mind that "Linux is for servers, Windows is for desktops." Ubuntu changed that. My second experience with LOTD (Linux on the desktop) came after I was forced to relinquish my company laptop around the end of 2005, which meant that I was compelled to promptly purchase my own. There was already great buzz around Ubuntu, and being based on Debian, it already had favor with me, so I gave it a shot, and dual booted my new IBM Thinkpad T41. (Ubuntu was at 5.10, Breezy Badger at the time.)

I probably should have blogged about it more at the time, but my recollection is that my main problem was battery life, which was pretty poor in Linux back then. (Hardware/drivers weren't really a problem at all, since Thinkpads generally have good Linux support.) If I ran plugged in, I was content to use Linux, but when I needed to be on the go, I'd boot back into Windows. I thankfully had some good support in IRC, who turned me on to NetworkManager before it was part of Ubuntu by default, among other things, which was pretty spectacular compared to the prior situation. (It's one of those things that "just works," so if you tried it for the first time now, you probably wouldn't even specifically notice it.)

I started using the Linux partition more and more, and upgraded through Dapper, Edgy, Fiesty, and Gutsy, growing more and more usable with each upgrade. Among other things, battery life improved considerably, to the point where I'm now roughly on par with Windows for longevity. (On my new Vista laptop, Hardy actually beats Windows slightly.)

Until ~April 2006, though, Windows remained my primary platform (i.e., on my desktop) ... until my desktop inexplicably died one day (but that's a story for another thread). I fell back to a free P3 733 MHz desktop for a bit, which was running Ubuntu for development purposes. However, that ended up being slower than my laptop, so I bought a USB keyboard and started using my laptop as a desktop for the next couple months ... in Linux. This experience was a turning point, when I really started to understand that Linux had, overall, reached a point of general usability for me.

I eventually replaced my desktop, and around the time of the Gutsy (7.10) release, bit the bullet and put Vista and Ubuntu on my desktop. I'll admit, I used a fresh hard drive, in case I wanted to go back to XP, but thankfully that didn't happen. Since that day, I've booted into Vista approximately four times total: three since I had to reboot for Linux kernel updates, and decided to download Windows updates / service pack, and once to play Portal. Aside from that, I've been completely Linux-based for almost the past year, and upgraded to Hardy this past weekend (after they finally pushed the kernel CGROUP scheduler to hardy-updates).


Three side notes:
3. I bought my (not-super-technical) girlfriend some laptop of craigslist last summer, when she was heading out of state for a ~2.5-month project. In addition to reloading it with a fresh copy of XP MCE 2005, I loaded Ubuntu, and encouraged her to give it a try. I admit that I did some configuration during setup that she probably wouldn't have been able to do, and she had the "advantage" of already being familiar with Gaim/Pidgin, Opera, and FireFox, but she said she was able to use it just fine, with the sole exception of booting into Windows because the iPod w/ Nike+ web integration required iTunes (and I wasn't going to try to get her to run it in Wine). I did also find it interesting (but kind of logical, in hindsight), that she initially expected programs to just be programs ... not specific to Windows or Linux. e.g. "Why can't I run iTunes in Ubuntu?" "Because Apple doesn't consider Linux users a valid market segment, so they only made versions for OS X and Windows." "Oh. That's dumb." ... or "Why isn't Gaim/Pidgin installed in Windows? I have it in Ubuntu." "Well, it comes installed by default in Ubuntu. You have to download it and install it manually in Windows." "Oh. That's dumb."

2. I continue to run Debian on my servers (one at home, three hosted, and several at work), but hadn't reconsidered it as a desktop platform since my wonderful experience with Ubuntu. I installed it on my desktop on a USB hard drive two weekends ago, and am pleased to report that its desktop installation experience has vastly improved. That said, it still lacks some niceties of Ubuntu that will probably keep me from switching (in addition to laziness).

3. OpenOffice isn't perfect. For "Word Docs" that are very layout-critical (e.g. a résumé), I still rely on MS Word.

Angie1313 06-02-2008 12:23 PM

I haven't used it in about a year or so...I always liked it however. It's just that where I work, they don't use it.

HTRN 06-02-2008 01:00 PM

Its funny , I've installed it on dozens of pc's and even have a Linux system and VMware set up with a few different distro's , I can never really find the time to get familiar with it.

Digerati 06-02-2008 09:46 PM

I did give it a brief trial two months ago. I installed Ubuntu, but just never got to use it long enough to familiarize myself with the OS. I have to say, things are stable and working well with Vista (most of the time), so I'm good.

slugbug 06-03-2008 01:09 AM

I use Ubuntu 8.04 64bit and it runs super nice on my quad core rig.

kevnam 06-03-2008 12:00 PM

Just wondering. How do games run on linux?

psyporic 06-03-2008 01:39 PM

I may give Ubuntu a shot this year now that I'm building my new machine. My one machine is basically a file server / media center so I just need to hunt down the software and see how it goes.

cablehiccups 06-03-2008 02:03 PM

Since reading all of the linux stuff lately on this site and a few others, I decided to give it another try with my new laptop and I'll tell you, after playing for the last 24 hours, I am beginning to love it.

I got ubuntu 8.04 up and running and after playing with compiz-fusion, I might be a convert for good.

I'm using it right now as I type this. The graphics are nicer and it runs just as smooth as my xp pro.

bobletman 06-03-2008 02:48 PM

A lot of my friends use linux and they say its pretty good. I may give it a shot cause I heard folding works faster on linux as well.

slugbug 06-03-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevnam (Post 68595)
Just wondering. How do games run on linux?

That's what Windows is for. The best option is dual boot using Windows for games and Linux for everything else.

bobletman 06-03-2008 04:59 PM

Im planning on dual booting those 2 very soon, just as soon as I get my other 500 gig harddrive back from my friend.

Djayalex 06-04-2008 08:44 AM

I have tried Linux but I do not like it

madspartus 06-04-2008 12:10 PM

ive never found a computer i thought linux would be better for. i need alot of windows software for engineering work. i also like to game. my server runs windows home server.

i have a HTPC and i think thats the only one that would work well with linux, but i got windows keys to spare so whatever.

i have run linux, i just never keep it.

FadedSpark 06-04-2008 02:58 PM

Yes, I have. No, I did NOT like it.

Fedora 9... On a laptop... And my desktop. It broke windows and renamed every freaking drive after CLEARLY telling it to only touch one blank one, and then I had to spend a day cleaning up after it. Screw that <_<

JustinTWL 06-05-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FadedSpark (Post 68690)
Yes, I have. No, I did NOT like it.

Fedora 9... On a laptop... And my desktop. It broke windows and renamed every freaking drive after CLEARLY telling it to only touch one blank one, and then I had to spend a day cleaning up after it. Screw that <_<

If you're referring to the drive names going from a single letter (C, D, etc) to a different naming convention (by which my assumption is that you looked at the drive names under Linux and gasped), that's just the way Linux organizes the drives and the name is only valid under the OS you're currently using. Under Windows, if the install hadn't broken (sorry about that), you should still see the same drive letters you originally had. It's unfortunate Windows broke on you, being that it sounds like it was a production machine. You run that risk when trying to dual-boot when Windows is already taking up the entire hard drive, which is why it's better to partition the hard drive first before you install each OS. (I assume this is the case, otherwise the Windows install should be fine.) Technically, you can create a new partition out of an already Windows-controlled partition, but it has potential to cause problems and I would never recommend it, unless you don't care if you have to reinstall Windows, assuming you care if it's still around at all.

I can see why you would have a negative view of Linux after the trouble you had, but is there anything specific you didn't like about Linux otherwise? Was it hard to navigate? Couldn't find/install the programs you needed? Most complaints are simply due to a lack of experience and expecting things to be exactly the same as their current OS. Linux is very different, but I consider that a pro rather than a con.

I've read good things about Fedora 9, but I personally haven't played around with Fedora since my first experience with Linux, with Fedora 4. From what I remember, it was NOT newbie-friendly, in addition to being awfully bulky. I suggest giving Linux another try, but just toy around with a distribution that offers a Live CD (Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, etc), where you run absolutely no risk of affecting a production machine.

Come back and post again if you have any additional problems/questions. :) I made some assumptions when trying to understand your problem, so if I misinterpreted, let me know.

TheWickerMan 08-23-2008 01:55 PM

I've tried a few different distros and I like them for what they are. I doubt I'll be replacing my main OS with it anytime soon (I like gaming too much), but it works great for specific tasks (like file server or web hosting). I find it's also a great way to breathe new life into old hardware lying around (like my dad's old compaq laptop). I plan on building a carputer in the near future and would like to use a linux distro for it to keep it as small as possible. But linux is becoming alot more friendly to the average joe with distros like ubuntu making setup as easy as windows. I would recommend giving Gentoo a try if you want a minimalistic distro and want a bit of a challenge setting it up. If you haven't given linux a try, you should test it out in a VM to see if you like it.


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