ATI Radeon 9900 Pro in mass production
 

Impressive move by ATI on how they get their GeforceFX killer out sooner with many new features over R300 although full spec's not confirmed yet. A little note for hyperthreading P4 system owners, a 350W power supply is recommanded. Can you say All-in-Wonder Radeon 9900 Pro 256mb? OooOoh!


"We expect the chip to launch at a core clock of 375MHz. It will incorporate DirectX 9.1 features, which is great if you're going to keep the card for at least two years, but don't expect to see any games written for it released for at least a year. ATI will brand the chip the Radeon 9900 Pro, and the card will be equipped with 128 MB memory while supporting 256MB configurations for its partners."

An ATi sales rep reported.

Alright! can somone tell me----
 

As many of us would like to know when new king going to release its precious 9900 pro, admitedly the Nvidia conqurer! I mean its all to much really for a Nvidia enthusiast to see his company faltering, as it nears its demise! Atleast from the company of the industry " Leaders " Now on to Ati, anways stable as hell, I'll give em' that, and now it seems they have the market by the perverbial Balls, and there's nothing I can do but switch, tho I still hate the BS Catalyst driver system! --which brings me to my real question.. When I get my 9900 Pro--possibly all-in-wonder, will i be able to get better drivers then the catalysts?? or do I have to take it in the @$$ for the while it takes to get used to their unfamiliar layout?

In the ultimate scheme of things, nVidia is the more powerful, and even whoops up on 3DLabs. I am not sure why they don't downplay some of their workstation technology. nVidia is still the king.

Yes...MIK3 knows which ones I am talking about.

nvidia is YOUR daddy, and mine
 

whoa, this post hasnt been touched for a while...

I get where you guys are comin from too...

hell, i have a ti4400 (not the greatest advance in its time, but simply a beautiful card for today's games), and a radeon 9700 that i got FREE.
YES FREE.im not shitting you, honest. (but i dont think i should go into details on how i obtained that card, a strange story indeed) and i still use my ti4400. WHY?
drivers man, and that beautiful, pure, nvidia feeling.
oh so smooth.

Free?
 

If you got it for free and are not using it..yes nvidia does have THE best drivers out. But this geforce 2 MX is killin me. How about you juss give the radeon to me?? I will pay shipping :) phadefex@netscape.net

sorry man,i sold it a week ago, i shouldve checked replies on the forum first. ill let you know if anything else "comes my way".

i think the next card i buy (really, i do buy stuff too) is gonna be a 256mb just for braggin rights.
hey why the hell not?

WOW you must have a lot of money to be talking like that...lol
oh ya btw.
hook me up to if you can and don't mind. :)

tridith@hotmail.com

thanks man

ATI Radeon 9900 Pro in mass production
 

Um, guys, the 9900 pro was changed to the 9800...! And its out NOW. they didn't scip 2 numbers for this card. going from 9700 to 9900 didn't happen, its 9700 to 9800. Luckly I just return my 9700 before I hurd about the 9800 because I now own the ATI 9800 pro now and beleave me the cards power is much better than the 9700...

:) Testing it on High Res Set.
1) Morrowind
2) Unreal 2 "oh oh the Graghic's"

:rofl: ---My KICK ASS pc---
Power Supply: 550 truepower
Mobo: GA-SINXP1394 Multi Threading "hehe" $300
CPU: 2.8ghz $550
VPU: 9800 Pro 128mb $399 at bestbuy.com
RAM: 1GB Dual PC2700 DDR333mhz $135

Oh by the way the GAXINXP1394 auto overclocks you CPU to a true 2.81GHZ not a 2.77GHZ as the ones you have on normal Mobo's

I spent $1800+ on my PC and its all worth it...!

im not a PROGAMEFREAK for nothin

:wavey: My e-mail is Mailto://Romworld2000@comcast.net :wavey:

actually, i think ATI still plans to make a 9900pro also, or so they said so.
i have no idea what the spec's of it will be like, or what it will compare to, but seeing as how 99 comes AFTER 98 (i went to school) i figure they may yet unveil a 9900pro...
just a wild guess. :/

ATI's 9900 + 9900 pro
 

ATI will release two Radeon 9900 branded graphics cards available later this year. These will be the Radeon 9900 and the Radeon 9900 Pro, as you might expect, and will probably use different R350 chips.

An ATI sales rep reported...

"ATI RADEON 9900 VPU will be manufactured using advanced 0.15 micron copper fabrication process that should allow the graphics chip to be clocked at 375MHz for core and memory... architecture in general should not be changed much from the RADEON 9700: the same 8 rendering pipes with 1 TMU per each. This one will be unveiled at CeBIT and will be available almost immediately after the trade-show head-shooting the arch-rival GeForce FX 5800 Ultra.

ATI RADEON 9900 PRO will be made using 0.13 micron technology and will be hugely more powerful than the brethren. It was said that the part will contain 8 rendering pipelines with 2 TMUs per each in addition to more efficient architecture of the VPU itself compared to the original RADEON 9700. The RADEON 9900 PRO may be announced at CeBIT, but do not anticipate ATI to start selling the babe just after the launch as it is not easy to develop a 0.13 micron graphics processor."

why do they keep referring to changes from the 9700 to the 9900? why aren't they saying the changes from the 9800 to the 9900? maybe the 9900 was renamed to 9800. the 9800 has a core of 380, which is 5Mhz above the core speed which ati annouced its 9900 to be. also this was released almost immediately after the the annoucement of the 5800 Ultra, which is when they said the 9900 would be unveiled and availible. seems like the 9900 mentioned above is the 9800 we have today

I just recently checked ATI's Site and they state that along w/ the 9800 Pro out now there will be later on in the year a 9900 Pro with .13 Micron technology, 375 MHz core speed and the option of either 128MB or 256MB!!!! F#$%*^% A!

9900 pro with 256mb
 

yeah that sounds right. i think thats what i heard too, like the geforce FX using .13 micron technology.

that would be the one imma get.
oh boy cant wait.

yeah but do most games even use that much memory... this is why some gaming companies should make groups for making games for high end gaming computers.

9900
 

Press Release - 2003


ATI ships RADEON™ 9800 PRO 256MB, world’s most powerful graphics card


DDR-2 memory and 256-bit memory interface delivers image quality and frame rates that hardcore gamers want


Monday May 12, 2003

wildcat
 

9900 pro 256MB
 

ATI Radeon 9900 Pro in mass production
 

OK, guys your just making rumors..! BS, talk talk talk, hm..
to start:

the 5800 ULTRA BEAT the 9700 PRO by a very little
the 9800 PRO beat the 5800 ULTRA by a womping,
and the 9800 PRO even beat the 5900 ULTRA that just came out....!

No matter what core clock Nvidia makes, even if its faster than ATI's. ATI beleaves in true power and Nvidia beleaves in detail "as you should know".

Now if you guys stop making up half this SHITE and go read the Reviews and e-mail the Support at there websites just maybe you guys will learn something, more than RUMORS..!

And to get in strait, the 9900 Pro name WAS change to the 9800 Pro even told by the tech Support at ATI.com because of not much coreclock and memory speed improvements...

Now if your a hardcore Overclocker and want to make your Radeon 9800 Pro or even the 9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, and 9700 "pro's and non Pro's plz download Rage3D OC software.

http://www.rage3d.com/r3dtweak/dload/R3Dtweak38c.exe

you guys will thank me later, lol, now make your 9800 pro's into your so called 9900 pro's BABY...

Everich, BLOODFIN server (Starwars Galaxies) ill duel your ass and win >:)

yea... except the 9700 pro beat the 5800u and the 9800 pro beat the 5900u.. I don't like either company.. but it's kinda like microsoft.. nothing but monopolies .. only 2 choices.. nvidia or ati.. intel or amd.. MS or apple for OS.. creative or turtle beach for sound.. microsoft of logitech for mice

ha ha :lol: The 5900 whomps on the 9800!

yup

not by much but yes the 5900 ultra does spank the 9800 pro's ass

Yes, the 5900 beats the 9800 only on 1600x1200 resolution. The ATI card is nearly 800 3dmark2003 marks higher than the 5900. The only reason the FX 5900 beats the ATI card at that resolution is because of the 256MB memory, but you can get an ATI card that has that mem. if you want it.

Here are the things you need to look at:

1. Size. The ATI card is tiny compared to the FX card. Think about how much airflow you want to lose with this...

2. Heat. The ATI card has much lower speeds than the FX card. 380 compared to 450. That's the only reason Nvidia can keep up with ATI. Now I own a 9800Pro myself, but I have modded it with a Thermaltake Giant II heat sink allowing me to almost meet Nvidia's clock speeds. Now I score over 6000 3dMark2003, over 1000 points higher than the nvidia card.

3. Drivers. Nvidia has hands down better drivers, at least that was true until the release of the Catalyst 3.6's. I used to be an owner of a GF4TI4600 and I'll never go back to Nvidia becuase I got this card and am VERY happy with. If you know how to tweak it just right, the overall look of the picture quality is much better than Nvidia's.

I dont' want my opinion to be biased, but I have used both companies, and I'm hands down much happier with my ATI card then I ever was with my GF4. As a matter of fact, I had to send my GF4 back to the company because it was messing up and was proven to be bad. When I got the next card in, I still wasn't happy with it, and it was PNY. I couldn't use AA and AF at high resolutions. So I sold the card and now I can do all that I wanted and more.

I'd have to disagree with the inference that the 9800's have more potential and that nVidia had to set their clocks higher to beat ATI because it seems to me that the 5900's have plenty of room left. Notice that the highest legitimate(real) score is owned by an nVidia card; here's a link.

As more and more of the newer technologies are incorporated into games, the 5900's will only show more of its lead.

dude...
 

pny sucks anyway :rofl:

Yeah, I read that before. If you'll notice, check out what they did to the card to get that score besides upping the clock to over 800. They had to take a liquid nitrogen cooler to cool the card to -42C. If someone had the money and resources to do that to an ATI card, the score would be higher. The clock it too high, if you want legit scores, let the two cards go head to head on stock settings, I feel that's more fair than modding the card so high you have to drop the temperature to sub-zero.

The 5900 is faster than the 9800 pro 256mb but the 9800 pro 256mb has better image quality than the 5900. The 9800 pro 256mb has a core clock of 380mhz and a memory clock of 700mhz so the 9800 pro 256 is faster than the 9900 pro. Unless they up the bandwidth in the 9900 pro, but basically someone will be paying $400 to 500 for a card that is not much better than the 9800 pro 256mb. If u want to read about a good comparison of the 5900 and 9800 pro 256, here http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcy

Here is an article that says the 9900 pro's core clock will be 420mhz http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...529150459.html whoever posted that the 9900 pro's core clock will be 375mhz is probly wrong because it would make no sense to make a new card that is the same speed as a 9800 pro. So if the 9900 pro's core clock is 420mhz then it will be faster than the 9800 pro

That's still slower than what I've done to my card. I can't wait to see what ppl will be doing with the 9900 Pro. I'm going to skip this release and wait for the next one to come out. 10000 Pro. By then it'll be this time next year.

The team that managed to get their 5900 to score so high also ran a 9800 Pro on the same rig apparently (an assumption but a reasonable one because it showed the same type of system in the page that included details) and scored several hundred points lower. When the scores are not even in the ten's of thousands yet, that is a considerable margin. And if you look at all of the top scores, regaurdless of the type of card, they are all overclocked P4's in a relatively similiar margin. The general trend is that at moderately high processor speeds, the ATI wins, but as speeds go higher and higher, nVidia starts to take a demanding lead.

Yeah, the processor is extreemly important. I took a AMD 2400+ that I overclocked and scored well over 1000 points lower then I did with a 3000+. Now that's w/o any overclcok on the 3000+. It seems that the L1 and L2 cache size have a lot to do with the overall score.

As for AMD/P4, I have an AMD in my desktop and a P4 in my laptop. Even though I have a hyperthreading P4 3.06 533fsb in my laptop, my desktop has a AMD 3000+ 333fsb and it seems faster. I think the reason it seems faster is because of the fact I have 1gig of PC2700 Ram, but I have 512 Mb of PC 2100 in my laptop.

Now with it just scoring a few hundred higher, there really isn't that much difference in the overall performance of the card. I can score 100 points higher by just have 1-2 more fps in the game tests. Now if the FX 5900 is only pushing 5-6 more fps per game test, then that small margin of overall performance doesn't appeal to me especially when you're pushing the clock speeds so high you have to put liquid nitorgen to cool it, I'll stick to the ATI card.

I just found out that if you push the FX 5900 too high (even none or just a little) some ppl seem to be having a "Flickering" problem in 2d. Where as the ATI card has an overall better picture quality while running games and you don't have to worry about the flickering. But, with ATI, you have to worry about their drivers which aren't as good as Nvidia's drivers.

So I guess you have pluses and minuses which everway you go, but I personally recommend ATI because they took the high speed market first with the 9700.

Check out my beast:
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-8IK1100
CPU: P4 2.8GHz 800fsb with Hyper Threading on(Running at 2.81 Ghz)
Power Color ATI Radeon 9800pro 128.
Corsair XMS TwinX 512mb 2x256mb DDR 400 dual channel.
Segate Barracuda 80gb SATA
Lian-Li PC-61.
52xCDRW
16x DvD
Flat 17 inch monitor (CRT)

USD$2055, AUD$3100

I think after I added the prices up on my machine, it came up to around $2200. I've done a ton of modding on the case upping the price.

Eye candy is always good.

Of course ;)

quite frankly i'm sick of hearing this bullshit argument over whether or not ati or nvidia is better. for the love of all that's holy would everyone just shut up. think about it for just a second. each company has their advantages and disadvantages. blah blah blah image quality and speed and detonator drivers being better than catalysts. ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE. obviously when you go and buy say a 5800 ultra and then upgrade to a radeon 9800 it's going to be faster. but why, is it because ATI kick's nvidia's ass. no, it's simply because that is the newest card and you can rest assured that in a few months or less nvidia will have their next card out that will beat the ATI card. but alas, a few months later, ATI releases their next big "nvidia" killer. it's a neverending cycle.

if you like nvidia, buy nvidia. if you like ati, buy ati. both of the new cards are dang fast in games and benchmarks alike and each one will do better in certain situations. base ur purchase on what you play, how u play it, and how you want your driver/customization experience to be. i know it sounds cliche, but can't we all just get along?

I believe that's the exact same conclusion we came to. DUH

Thats about it.

So Long Folks :wavey: