Several things about cooling
 

Hi all

I've noticed, that ppl are becoming totally obsessed about cooling lately, with no reason, for my opinion 8)

Heat is a normal attribute of any electronic device.
Installing 5 fans for a single box is fun, but not more then that ...
Water-cooling system for PC ? Well, you can pave the box with gold too (excuse me my sarcastic laugh).

Basically you need
1 fan for CPU (OK, double fan, or the BIG one).
1 for VGA (if it uses graphics acceleration)
+ it's good to have 1 case fan (in addition to psf, of course)

That's all, that's how it comes with brand name machines.
That's how it's usually assembled

So if you can touch the CPU heat sink, your CPU is just fine. It's always tested to work properly in typical enviroment, and so it does, without additional cooling systems. (I'm talking about PC here, not echelon systems).


OK. It's been proved that special cooling techniques can improve total system efficiency up to 50%, but again on specific machine with very specific cooling system (not to talk about $$$)

I hope you've got my point ;)



Cheers
Chef

judge judge judge 8)

Re: Several things about cooling
 

I would have to agree with Chef. SGI doesn't use so many fans, and with their price tag they wouldn't mind adding a hundred fans if it improved their performance. Only when you get into massive cooling techniques like www.Kryotech.com will you notice it with their thermal acceleration.

OC'ing doesn't gain any noticible increase, even in the popular Athlon 600 to 1000 OC. Clocking utilities still find it pretty close. You will probably spend more on cooling then just getting the better processor.

Re: Several things about cooling
 

we do this for hobby bro, it's better to have a XP1600@2000 than a XP2000, and if it is cool, it rockz, if it freezes(not the os) it rulez 8)

Re: Several things about cooling
 

whatever bro
my fridge rulez 8)

Cheers
Chef

Re: Several things about cooling
 

i would rather put my tim into makking my system run faster and more stabily than just making it cooler and of course louder.

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sounds like logical thinking to me.  thats is my first choice as well and after all the working on the system will i work on cooling it.

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you can tell people about the proper ways of cooling and what they need, but they will do what they want. if they want to make their box a fridge let them, nothin too wrong with it.

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i am not saying they shouldnt, just saying its become a fad to have the coolest system in the world, and people are not making any difference to their system. thats all. take offense if you want, i couldn't care less, but that's not what i was saying

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it's cool to do what you want, overclocking, cooling, low level formating (my favorite), trying new things.
I also like stuff like this, just wanted to make note so typical users wouldn't get wrong ideas reading certain topics. Experimenting on your machine without appropriate skills (I know, I know you have them) can cost a bunch of money ...

Cheers
Chef

Re: Several things about cooling
 

Is your motto: "Revenge is sweet!"  Differentiated opinion's are often posted in this forum...

Re: Several things about cooling
 

Chef, what you mean by that? i am just saying people i know, not necessarily in these forums, but people are just generally getting caught up in cooling their systems all the while thinking that they are going to have this very fast system because of it, and it simply isnt true.

Re: Several things about cooling
 

Hey Chef you forgot two fans (if you count you Power Supply fan) and my Motherboard came with one on the northbridge from the factory.  It's a FIC az11ea.  Not a big fan but comes on there when you get it.  ;D

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yeah same with me savage, i got a KT133A chipset, what about you? got the same or KT133 (cuz they basically are same)?

but also, Chef, what did you mean by that?

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Yhea it's a kt133a.  I think the main diffrence is kt133a added the 133/266 MHz front side bus.  Not sure but I think kt133 was limited to 100 unless it was double pumped.

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Well its the same as modifying cars. You take what you have and make it run as fast as it will go and if it requires a $2500 blower (that you can afford) then do it. Its all preferance its all fun its all good. Just cuz you dont see a neccessity doesnt mean its not fun and enjoyable to others. Shit just look at the Tickle Me Elmo dolls what the fuk were they thinkin??:) Its all good and i see where you are coming from but my rebutle is I like the challenge. By challenge i mean yes by adding fans i cool my components but at the same time i create noinse. So now i have to get rid of the noise. This new project its a never ending cycle of modification and i do it cuz its fun i like it and it beats the Tickle Me Elmo crap :)

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What did I mean by what ??
By posting that topic ? Well just couple of thoughts. I don't think cooling is sth that worst SO MUCH time to spend on it -> personal opinion.
When we started with athlons, it was unusually hot CPU (literally) even with all these weird (so it looked then) coolers, so one experienced dude said "Relax, If you can touch the heat sink, CPU is just fine".
I can't remember single case when sth screwed up, because standard cooling was used.


Cheers
Chef

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yeah, savage, you are right that our's is 100/133 ddr fsb with 133 mhz dimm sockets, and the kt133 is 100 ddr fsb with 133 mhz dimm sockets (it is the ram for the 133 in kt133).

chef, nevermind, i was just being over defensive to the following thinking you might have been sarcastic:
"Experimenting on your machine without appropriate skills (I know, I know you have them)" but i can see i was just being defensive.

knight i know what you are talking about and see it more clearly but i stand in the same place.