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Blue03CivicSi 02-11-2004 12:23 PM

This is weird...
 
Okay, this is the strangest thing I have ever seen...

When I move the scroll wheel on my mouse, my cold cathodes flicker. What makes it even more unusual is that they only do it when a window is scrolling. If I don't have any windows open, I can move the scroll wheel all I want...without any flickering; but as soon as I have a window open (IE, for example), the flickering starts every time I scroll. I just got a new mouse and keyboard set, but had the same problem with my old mouse. I also noticed a strange squealing sound coming from the general direction of my PS/2 ports when I scrolled...so I thought it might be my ports causing the problems. Since my BIOS supports USB legacy keyboards (good thing, too, because I access the BIOS a lot), I simply unplugged both PS/2 connectors and am using the USB connector. This solved the squealing problem, but the lights are still flickering. I thought it might be because both my old and new mice are wireless...but a corded mouse makes the lights flicker as well. Since the lights are connected directly to the power supply, I can't imagine what is causing this!

Blue03CivicSi 02-11-2004 12:41 PM

Update: The squealing sound has started again...it seems to be coming from the cold cathode transformer. Why in the world would the lights flicker and make noises only when a page is scrolling??

Jason425 02-11-2004 08:06 PM

my only idea is that maybe your psu is funky.. dunno what else..

Blue03CivicSi 02-11-2004 09:34 PM

I wonder if running a capacitor between the power supply and the CCFL transformer would stop that? It seems as if the transformer doesn't have any kind of buffer at all that might prevent things like this. If I get really bored one day, I might try it.

paulb 03-29-2004 04:44 AM

I don't know if we're on the same track here, but I've just built a new system that includes a GeForce FX 5950 Ultra, and am having the exact same problem. Specifically scrolling long webpages in IE and some games. This problem has been reported on another hardware forum and appears to be a know issue with these graphics cards.

Hope this helps.

Blue03CivicSi 03-29-2004 06:29 PM

Actually, that does help. I noticed that my old P4 computer's neon lights would flicker sometimes, but never thought about the graphics card at all. I thought about it after reading your post and remembered that they always worked fine before I installed a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra. My new computer has never had anything but the 5950, so I have no way to know if that's the problem...but it seems to be. It's obviously nothing to do with the mouse, because I can turn the wheel without any flickering...as long as a page is not scrolling when I do so. As soon as a page scrolls, the flickering begins. Oh well. It doesn't bother me that bad...it's just annoying sometimes.

gnogtr 03-29-2004 08:34 PM

It's a bad ground. I had this problem awhile back. It fixed itself when I changed cases, do you have a line conditioner? You may want to check and see if everything looks like it's ok....Do you have a good psu? An Antec is best, especially for a system like yours.

Jason425 03-29-2004 10:23 PM

enermax are good too.. or so i hear

Blue03CivicSi 03-30-2004 08:28 AM

I do have a line conditioner, and I have an Aspire PSU from Performance-PCs.com. It's funny you mention a bad ground, though, since my house does not have a ground. I have three-wire outlets (that I recently installed so I wouldn't have to buy a bunch of two-to-three prong adapters. lol), but the third prong is not functional. I'm sure I will do something about that someday, since my surge protectors and UPS system all have "ground fault" lights that stay on constantly...but nothing has blown up yet, so I'm not terribly worried right now. I have been living here for almost eight months now without any problems at all. My house was built in 1955 (before three-prong outlets) but, since the builders used high-quality copper wire, I haven't bothered updating the wiring. If the builders had used aluminum wiring, which was much more common (and dangerous) in those days, I would have updated it before I even moved in.

gnogtr 03-30-2004 10:58 AM

Yup, there's your problem. You know that APC cannot warrent your stuff plugged in unless it's grounded, didn't you? You may want to ground, I never plug anything in if the light comes on. The noise you here is from unclean, ungrounded electricity, that's not what you want on that system, because something's going to fry if an electrical storm happens to come by...

Jason425 03-30-2004 07:57 PM

yea.. i was at a lan at a friend's house that isn't in too good of shape.. and that light on. Nothing happened but I was a little nervous anyway.

Blue03CivicSi 03-31-2004 08:57 AM

Hmm...sounds like I might have some work to do this spring. Odds are, I'll probably only update the living room for now...and that would be easy enough since my living room is over my garage (and my breaker box is on the same wall as my interior garage door)...so I won't have to run new wiring the length of the house. It's probably a good idea to do it anyway, since I'll be purchasing a Sony Cineza VPL-HS20 front-screen projector sometime this summer. I'd hate to have something like that go up in smoke. I have been wanting a projector (for movies and games) for a long time now. When I was in high school, I had a teacher who would only watch movies, in class, with a projector...he said a television didn't do the movies justice...and he was right. I have been wanting one ever since I watched Forrest Gump on a 9ft tall screen. ;-) Mine won't be that big, obviously, but I am getting a 92" ceiling mounted screen for it (nothing fancy...it's the kind you hang from eyebolts and pull down manually...it's $300 versus $1,000 for a flush-mounted motorized screen of the same size and brand...which would you buy? lol). Anyway, back to the point. It would suck to have anything happen to my computers, video game systems, or projector...so I think I'll be doing some updating. I realized that not having a proper ground wasn't a good thing...but I didn't worry too much about it. I did worry a bit this morning, however, because we had a decent thunderstorm roll through yesterday (I live in southern Indiana, btw). I got home from work this morning and tried to get online with my PowerBook...but it wouldn't work. I was connected to my WAP and could connect to the config page, but I couldn't access my router. I came into my living room and noticed the lights on my router were all off! I was soooo afraid that it was struck by lightning. Luckily, it was just unplugged. My girlfriend or my cat might have knocked it loose from the powerstrip. lol. Sorry 'bout rambling...I just got home from work about two hours ago, so I'm pretty tired...and I ramble when I'm tired. Anyway, gonna shut up now. :-P

Dragon 03-31-2004 09:03 AM

man the stuff you come across... your scroll wheels are having electrical problems because of your video card, what?

anyway - whats this grounded line thing cuz an old comp i got has a charge going through it that'll make your muscles spasm. literally - but the comp still works. any help?

Blue03CivicSi 03-31-2004 03:37 PM

Hehe...bad ground again. My PowerBook has two different adapters for the charger/PSU. It has a 2-prong adapter for plugging the entire thing directly into the wall, and it has an extension cord with three prongs on it. If you plug it in with just the two prong adapter, it has a weird feeling to it. If you touch it lightly, it hums and tingles...but if you use the 3-prong adapter with a properly grounded outlet, it doesn't do it anymore. There was a computer at my old high school that wasn't grounded properly. The school had those big floor-mounted air conditioning units in the classrooms...and the desk this computer was on happened to be sitting next to the one in that room. The teacher had complained about the printer not working, so I bent down to have a look. I grabbed the printer cable to see if it was properly tightened...and I happened to touch the air conditioner at the same time. I got the hell shocked right out of me. I should have sued. Haha. Luckily, it just made my muscles spasm and gave me a bit of a scare. I didn't need any medical attention or anything.

gnogtr 03-31-2004 06:34 PM

WOW! I've been slightly shocked before, you know with working around computers and all. I don't personally want to get shocked again, but it may happen, who knows...


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