Begginers guide to networking tutorial
 

Hey everyone.   I want to set up a network with 2 Windows based machines and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good online begginers tutorial of how to do this?  Im just confused and nothing seems to work.  Thanks.

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I don't know of link but tell me what you have.

Is it NICs or with "laplink-cable" ?
if NICs and just two machines and no hub
it need to be a "twisted TP cable (unless BNC cable)

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Its from 2 NIC's to a Hub.  Through RJ45.

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Since you're using a hub you'll use two straight through patch cables. If you bypass the hub and connect the two directly you'll need a crossover cable.

What OS are you running on these boxes? And what network components do you have installed in Network Neighborhood?

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Well with a little trial and error i got the actual network set up but heres the new problem.  I have the Primary machine which I access the internet from (Base) and I have the secondary machine which I want to be able to access the internet at the same time (its going to be used for a web server)(P90).  Problem.  If I access the internet on the base machine, the P90wont access until I restart.  But if I restart the P90 will access it but the Base wont.  So how do I set them up to both connect at the same time?  Thanks for all your help.  BTW Base is running Win 98 and P90 is running Win 95.

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If you have a telephone modemon base machine
you could use the AnalogX proxy or Autonet on third
machine with just nic, modem and floppy.

If you have DSL to the hub one can only access on
one machine at the time
you would need 2 Nics on the base machine
One to get the DSL the other one to send it to hub
and all other machines connectyed to the hub
+ a proxy or router on base machine analogX would
work and is free
I use floppyfw http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/index.html on a third machine
have a post on this in the networking section.

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Sorry ill try to describe my problem better.

Base machine - Windows 98, 1 NIC and a cable connection.

Server - Windows 95, 1 NIC and a cable connection.

Same problem as my last post but, the way the connection i set up is my cable internet modem box (the thing that changes it from coaxial cable to RJ45) goes the port 5 on my hub.  My base goes to port 4.  My server goes to port 3.

Now if only one are on at a time, they access the internet and the network fine, but I want them to be able access the net at the same time.  Thanks for all your help.

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You need two NICs in your server machine
Nr.1 from cable modem
Nr.2 to hub
And a proxy  (like analogX proxy or other)

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Check out wown.com
This site totally helped me out!
I also referred people to this website for network issues

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If you have windows98SE thiers some free software that comes with it called ICS. It should allow you to share the net with the other machine. but your base machin has to be on at the same time.

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If you cannot get ICS Internet Connection Sharing to work then try anologx.com and download their free proxy server. It works great.

I just set it up in a computer lab for the local Christian School. 8 systems all online with no trouble what so ever.

I guess the question here is how is your cable modem connected to your system? USB or NIC? If it's USB you want to share that connection using ICS or the proxy. Either way it should work.

But just plugging them into the hub wont do it.

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JFYI: ICS is not a proxy. it's a nat router.

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A friend used ICS at first on his machines but it was crappy
He now uses two NICs in one machine and the analogX proxy
no HUB though , he uses BNC NICs (except the one to the ADSL modem)
BNC is not bad for home use and one doesn't need a HUB.

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What made it "crappy"? Our nat router uses it and I get 10 extra kbps then I did with my internal pci dsl modem.

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Im wondering is there any program like proxy which will let two machines access the internet through an NIC hub?  Thanks.

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Uranium-235
Why the InternetConnectionSharing was crappy
have to ask him he just said so and went through
the trouble to add a NIC
also internal modems tend to increase the cpu load

The sharing  need to be betwix cable modem and hub

I still belive a third machine is the best solution
a old 486 with and two old ISA 3Com NICS one
can get for just a few bucks and the floppyfw is free
doesn't take much power (no monitor needed no HDD running)
just leave it on and stay connected its a firewall and router
the rest of your network connects as usual and is not
seen on the outside.

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The server is a P1-166 /w 48M

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Allright
Freesco
or LRP (Linux Router Projekt)
two other floppy router/firewalls
for pentium kernel
you can run them from harddrive also
an add DHCP and Fileserver packages

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Was that in a reply to me?

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actually thats a good idea ear.  Thanks Ill try that.  :)  thanks for all your help guys.  it really means a lot.

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sorry one more question (directed toward Bear), If it has no hdd then what OS does it use?  I would say a DOS boot disk but what program as a proxy server.  If u can make directions it would be macho help.  thanks.

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I wish I could use linux as our nat router. :(

dsl modem dosent have linux drivers

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Uranium-235
Yes it was, but you might have posted i reply to
internal modems tend to use cpu power ?
My ADSL modem does not use any driver !
was it the internal modem which needed drivers ?
I'm not sure but Linux doesen't necessarily need
modem drivers It did not need one for my Lucent
dial-up when I had a Linux router called AutoNet
to share my modem connection with 3 other machines


cc_dex
The floppyfw has the OS on it (Linux) but on FAT
file system so you can change .ini and .cfg files
with notepad or similar on a regular PC no need
to have Linux machine or Linux knowledge

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It's a USB external. Win32 driver barely work, well, until now.

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So bear, "floppyfw" can run just on a floppy drive and has drivers to run dual NIC's?  Also where can I find it.  Thanks Bear.

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Here:
http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/install.html
Best is to use 3com etherlink III
Supported network devices:
3com 3c509, 3c59x and 3c90x
NE2000 Compatible cards, both ISA and PCI
Tulip based cards.
intel EtherExpress PCI-cards.
RealTek rt8139, rt8129 and friends.
Modules support for adding modules for other NIC's.
They doesn't really use drivers i Linux they use modules
you'll find all you need on their page though
It is good to know that the NIC Eth0 is the
one with the lowest mac-address (should be written on NIC)
Eth0 is the one that should  go to the modem
and Eth1 to the HUB
It should work
anyways there is howtoes on the page.
3com is easy cause you can set them with software
in DOS (boot to dos with your w9x floppy and put
3com floppy in and set the port addresses I use 250 and 260)
As long as you have two card with different port addresse it should be no trouble.
Also to change config file, wordpad is better than notepad
I used metapad. All I had to add was username and password.

Well hope this will do ya
as one of the guys signs his posts

life is a beach, surf

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Does it iclude a proxy server in the program or should I add the Analog X proxy program? Thanks.

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Does anyone know of a DOS router program or a DOS proxy?  Thanks.

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It's Linux man  ;D
No need it is a routing firewall
and if you look at their link or download
page there is one modded floppyfw
called floppyfw-jt which have good DHCP
for your network so all you have to set
in your TCP/IP settings on your two machines
is to obtain IP address automaticly nothing
in your browser, you might need to go to your login page
unless you have an permanent IP then you put user
and pass in config and use he current ppp image if you
use the -jt version you need to change in config
to use ppp.
Just go to their page it is easier than it looks at first.

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Ok thanks.