Thanks to all of you for the soothing words that we all make mistakes, no matter what are profession we are in.

I do hope others who read this thread remember it is to everyone's advantage to post the way the problem was resolved or to keep working to get it resolved. - - They don't use the term "computer friendly" any more as it was about as big a joke as you could get. I don' think I ever installed a program yet that didn't have problems in one form or another. I usually find the mistake myself and well over 90% of the time it lies in the software or hardware developer. I once spent more for phone calls to MSoft than I actually spent on the program and they never could resolve the issue but I finally found it. It was a $35 phone call everytime I rang them up minimum. So, the bottom line is it pays to listen to forums and watch what is going on because more than likely a phone call to the manufacturer or software developer isn't going to get you far and don't expect any quick answers either. No one has the time to wait months for a response.

I see many members here post their systems, although I have built many and for other people, I continue to hang on to four here in the house that are my favorites and have a special place in my experience of good solid performance motherboards over the last few years. I overclock all my systems and always have. After all, if they are spec'd to run for example in a 122 deg F ambient condition all day in a factory enviroment of course they will handle easily 10-15% or more with adequate cooling forever in your home.

All my computers at home have two cdrom drives in them a high speed and CDRW, a minimum of at least two hard drives, a scanner, networking, modems. etc.

Asus T2P4 233 mmx oc'd to 299 mhz. A good reliable socket seven board, one of the first to have 75 and 83 mhz FSB before Super Socket 7 100 mhz came out. Still a nice system and fully upgradable yet even more with of course a K6-2+ or K6-3 AMD. It is my daughers now and she loves it.

Abit BX6-2 with the good old Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 megs and still runs Quake lll Arena like a charm. I do however, have all NVDIA video boards in all systems. This is used when my son has friends over and they play games computer to computer over the network.

Two Abit BX133 RAID motherboards which I totally love. The 440BX chipset is amazing and a great gaming board. I have a 17 year old son who is constantly gaming. One has a Celeron 900 overclocked to a nice safe 1.1 ghz and the other one a Pentium lll overclocked to about 1 ghz.

I have refrained from building up my AthlonXP for my son until they get the diode protection circuit on motherboards to support the newer temp shutdown of the Athlon newer chips. Athlon chips will burn up in nanoseconds if the fan glitches, the heat sink shifts, whatever. Motherboards have been known to catch on fire. A wonderful cpu, I love it, but will wait until it has full supportive protection of the mb. I've built a number of AMD earlier systems, remembering the DX2 32 bit inside / 16 bit outside buss cpu's that were a novelty at the time.

Most of us have overkill in our motherboards anymore, we just don't need that power. But the advancing technology makes it exciting to have tons of power dirt cheap, it is exciting. I was at a computer show today and saw these older Pentium 200 chips, $5. Can anyone remember how exciting it was to have a 200 meg system. My first was a commodore 80, but as far as a IBM PC, 16 megs was the first.

Well, hope to visit more and maybe be able to help some others out.

Dennis