jinx, you're already grandfather . seems like the point is: be nice, be polite, show her you like her (and my special tip: talk to her by an instant messenger if she got a computer. most of us are most selfassured where they feel this "i'm at home, nobody can do me no harm" feeling, so i think this is the best way to show some schweet natural charme. btw, keefe, would you mind to tell us how old you are.  if it comes to girls, this is an important factor 'cause women in different ages have different points of view