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A good discussion (heated or not) is good for the soul ... or something. Anyway, I'm having a good time, and I'm finding everything said here is extremely interesting, so I for one vote to keep talking

I certainly don't mean to cause any offense with any comments so I hope they'll be taken in a friendly spirit. I wouldn't see any point in continuing to talk about things if people were getting angry as when that happens you lose rationality. So if we can keep as calm and collected as we have so far, I don't see any problems.  :-*

[quote author=jinx link=board=general&num=1026038488&start=15#17 date=07/11/02 at 17:28:12]
That reference was to Bear, since he totally ignored everything we Americans hold dear.
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I cannot not see how you can say that !

The first comment on 4th of July thread I made was:
Glad you made it through and no attempts was made to
destroy your day !
As many innocent people were killed sept 11th as
innocent people killed were in Afghanistan during the bombings to fight the terrorist even if some measures
were taken to avoid it.

Just pointing out that it is not only innocent Americans
who have suffered from the 9-11 incident.

[MIK3]

staight forward....to the point...well put, both comments on here have obvioulsly escelladed to a descent point i might add...hope it continues to be valid in pure opinion and not get to the point of hatred!  

I found that to be  hollow and caloused comparison, with you knowing full well that had there not been a 9-11 terrorist attack, there would be no retaliation to Afghanistan, no innocents killed by the USA. As previously stated, the 9-11 was a deliberate action to target innocents.
Also you said nothing about or expressed any concern whatsoever to the thousands- probally hundreds of thousands of 'innocent afghanistan' women and children that were murdered, tortured, maimed and enslaved by this bunch of cut-throats, the talaban, before we put them mostly out of that type business.
So thanks to the U.S. Forces, the talaban is not in the innocent/children/fellow citizen/baby torturing business any more.
Wouldn't hurt for you to read about the murder and torture of innocents that they did to control the country.
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Fact Sheet on Al Qaeda and Taliban Atrocities
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[MIK3]

Ill have to agree with you there jinx, the Taliban have killed many many more innocent civillians of their homeland then any US troops have ever done and i think that the two numbers just cant compare in number...this i feel is a ver sick, twisted, demented "pride" that the Taliban posses...and i hope that some day they will realize what kinda of hell they bring to the people each and every day...and that some day this will all be put in the past...i feel...however...that that day will not come soon at all....sadly  

[quote author=jinx link=board=general&num=1026038488&start=15#23 date=07/12/02 at 19:20:42]

Also you said nothing about or expressed any concern whatsoever to the thousands- probally hundreds of thousands of 'innocent afghanistan' women and children that were murdered, tortured, maimed and enslaved by this bunch of cut-throats, the talaban, before we put them mostly out of that type business.
So thanks to the U.S. Forces, the talaban is not in the innocent/children/fellow citizen/baby torturing business any more. [/quote]

I think the problem is that the US Forces etc helped put the Taliban into power in the first place.

That could be somewhat correct, but in your own words- why not leave that topic for another day, or a new thread ?

My comments as you quoted were dealing with Bear, whom obviously couldn't seem to shed a single solitary tear for the Talaban murdered innocents of their own citizens, but wanted to get on here instead and ' cry us up a river ' over the few innocents that U.S. Forces may have killed (after the talaban deliberately placed them in harms way) on their way to smash Ben Ladens ass and run him under the rock to which he is now hiding !

I'm just trying to say, don't paint the US forces as an all-singing all-dancing patriotic fun-fest of light and goodness, when they are not. Just as the UK forces have done bad things for our government, so have yours.

I'm not trying to play down the Towers thing, nor am I pretending that the Taleban were not lacking in most of the common decency we take for granted, so don't start down that road.

However it is definitely that the US forces in Afghanistan (and elsewhere too) have been a bit indiscriminate with their bombs etc - wedding anyone? I am saying (as I suspect Bear is too) that perhaps more emphasis should be placed on ensuring that bombers etc are where they should be. I believe a little too much emphasis is placed on technology, when instead the pilots/etc should be thinking a bit more for themselves sometimes.

I wouldn't get too 'teary eyed' over that 'wedding incident' because the air strikes were called in by Afghan and U.S. forces that had had that area under surveilance for many months. The talaban was reported firing on the U.S aircraft by local residents before they were hit. The talaban uses any excuse to fire on U.S. Forces and the wedding was an excellant facade.

Think about it, it was very remote village, where even food and neccessities are hard to get in. Now they were firing some pretty large guns, looked to me like a 3 inch. Do you know how much shells weigh for that size gun and how much they cost ? To blow all that on a wedding ?  As hard as they are to comeby? The Talaban is schooled very well on how to use the press to their advantage. Go figure !
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Preliminary Afghan Bombing Investigation Ends
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Don't quite know where you get your information from, but anyway... this is hardly the only example of friendly fire incidents by american forces. Saw the in-air footage of the American aircrew shooting up a British convoy of APCs in Desert Storm myself.

I think that was the point of this whole thread anyway, so let's drop the 4th of July bit in here.